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hello everyone and welcome to the show

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i'm martin willis your host

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and i took a six-hour drive to get out

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to the berkshires from where i live in

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maine

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and why don't you show everybody that's

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here i'm also going to bring in

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the people that are joining us um

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through the internet

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and uh but not bill all right

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so tonight we have everyone here

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and that you see and we're gonna go

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around uh we're gonna do like a round

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robin type thing i'm pretty excited

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uh about this show here in the

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berkshires

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but anyway uh for those of you that get

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that

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of our vintage

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anyway we're here at the warner

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homestead 18-35 since 1835.

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yes and i just want to say thanks for

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driving all the way down

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from maine yeah well let's introduce

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ourselves

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tom warner and this is uh coming from my

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house the the warner homestead and i

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want to

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thank you all from coming in it's uh

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it's a treat to have martin find himself

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all the way down here

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and from maine yeah and

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well donna you're joining us yes i live

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in

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the berkshires and this is a very

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intriguing important

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story and i'm glad that people are

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getting back together

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after the unsolved mysteries piece to uh

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and i'm jane r shambo i've lived next

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door to time all my life

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when we were growing up and

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um yeah that was part of the movie we

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remember you from netflix

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so thank you for joining us and we just

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i'm just going to tell everyone during

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well just actually what was it a half

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hour ago we went out into the field

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where this really happened

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and we filmed out there so that's going

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to be part of the

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during the break we're going to show

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that up as long as that comes through

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okay we're still working on that

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but uh so uh bill clark has not showed

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up but i will

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i will show you we have a couple of

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other people here

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and marisol uh welcome to the show you

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um you and mike i'll bring him in a

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second our new witnesses and you are

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right in the you're right in the wake of

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the uh hurricane coming your way right

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now you're in

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sarasota or somewhere in florida right

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yes sarasota florida

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and so you're this is we're going to do

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like a round robin as i said here and

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this is we're going to have people tell

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their stories

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um and that have actually come forward i

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think also mike

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welcome to the show mike mike your mic

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is off

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he's on that martin yeah thanks for

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having me welcome

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yes and you are a retired

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i think what i would like to do though

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is we're going to come back and we're

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going to talk to

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uh basically tom uh we're here at your

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house again thank you very much

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and uh can you i know about everyone's

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heard you

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tell your story many times but enlighten

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us one more time this happened right

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outside the door right here

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right literally right outside the door

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here throw a stone

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absolutely uh shall i go from the

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beginning there martin

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well you know i mean a lot of people

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know the story a lot of people know this

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right we might as well just do a quick

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note all right it was

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it was september 1st 1969 it was

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september 1st 1969

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and i was over at the shaw's over at

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jane's sister

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doing uh coloring and

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i was just casually coloring and

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everything

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and suddenly i had this mental telepathy

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to go to the window and i did and this

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mental telepathy told me

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you have to go home and i looked at

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debbie and i said

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debbie i have to go home and she said

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why is your mother calling you i said

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no i don't know what it is maybe maybe

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it's god from those clouds because i

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i didn't know what it was and i ran out

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and i ran into the kitchen where where

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graham debbie and jane's grandmother was

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and jane was on the phone and

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i said i have to go home and my look on

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my face

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startled them so much that their star

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look startled me even more

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and i ran out and i as i was running

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full speed across the driveway

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all of a sudden the the the sounds all

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and all of a sudden when i got to this

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rock it was like everything went in slow

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i got this feeling to look to my to look

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to my left and when i did

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a ufo drop right out of the sky which

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actually looks like the painting that's

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and what happened was my hands

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jerk back my hands jerk back and the

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next thing i know i'm on a ufo

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and that's where the story really begins

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really yeah well we'll talk about that

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we'll get that later yeah jane

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and then we were watching him out out

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the window

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it looked like he was just standing at

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the rock and just running in space and

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then all of a sudden he just went

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puff and he was gone now did you

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actually did you see the beam of white

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i did see the beam light over him and

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then he just went

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puff and he was gone and did the

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i need the bean vanish at the same time

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no um i could see the beam i said to my

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grandmother i'm going to run upstairs

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to the bedroom your bedroom and look out

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the window and see if i can find him

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and couldn't see him um

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seven minutes later i saw him

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laying on his property

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facing our house his head was facing our

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house how the hell did he get over there

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the beam was still on him and then all

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of a sudden the beam just

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went did you he remembers being like

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levitated a little bit off the ground

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did you happen to notice that were you

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too far

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i could see him but it looked like he

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was sitting this far over

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the ground so you did and then all of a

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sudden he went boom

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tommy went boom so

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the nick the next morning his mom came

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and we couldn't figure it out but she

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said that tommy ran in the house

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never ate that night ran up the stairs

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until the next morning

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and so okay tom back to you yeah

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and we'll get to you um online in just a

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so when this this happened

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and you ran inside um i remember you

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saying that your

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parents didn't really want to talk about

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it much but your mother did

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investigate the next day is that what

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i'm sure she did she did she went over

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she went over to talk to jane's

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grandmother i was over there and she

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came over there

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and graham graham and

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and my mother would often would talk and

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pretty open with each other and

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i do remember my mother being really

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upset the next day and i didn't

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she was upset i felt like did i do

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something wrong i didn't know

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and and she just wouldn't talk about it

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no my grandmother tried to pull it out

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of her way

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and she would not i don't want to talk

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about it i don't want to talk about it

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so she stayed for a cup of tea and then

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abruptly and went back over to her house

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i just remembered that

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that day when i was over there uh

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i was in shock you know of course you're

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you're in shock i mean you're seeing

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something that's like

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like no i'm not gonna see too often

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and and i mean here i'm i saw things

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people just don't see and all right

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so in life no

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i'm just wondering do you think a mic

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could be met next or a mary's mom

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i would i would like to i would like to

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go to marysol

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okay mary so why don't you uh tell us

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your your experience this is that

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basically the first time you're talking

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about this right

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um in a long time yeah it's a

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in 1969 i was only six years old

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um i went we went to church and we came

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home early

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and i took a nap i went to take a nap

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with this light beaming on me and

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i tried to focus and i saw this

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person thing it had

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big eyes he had a white head

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and his body was dark

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and i could hear children crying

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and it scared me

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and um i wanted to get out i

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wanted to get out i wanted to leave i

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didn't like but i couldn't move

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i like to move with my head and i i

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pulled

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and i to where i could hear the crying

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and i couldn't see i could only see like

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the top of some of the kids

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has the people and i saw

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this boy now at first i had no idea that

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that was tom

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until after i saw the unsolved mysteries

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it hit me like a rock um

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when i was on this ship it was really

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dark

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but you could see the walls were kind of

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cubby holes kind of but very big

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and it was all along the side

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um i saw this boy standing there

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bewildered

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and his eyes

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kind of confused too

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but i it gave me a secure feeling when i

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looked into his eyes i felt like okay

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i'm okay he's

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he's okay he's you know he's not crying

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i'm gonna be okay

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and then suddenly i was let off this

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table and i slid down

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and that's when i saw the wall

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i and as a child i remember i didn't

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want to be taken anywhere

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so the first thing i did was make myself

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heavy

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so that it would let me go and it put me

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when it put me down i felt like

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something was lifting me

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towards the wall and as i'm going

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towards the wall i see this

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girl a lady to me it was a lady but i

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didn't know

288
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it was a young girl i was only six but

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anybody older than me

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i thought was a lady and the expression

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on her face

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scared the hell out of me

293
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now once i got close wall the wall held

294
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me there i

295
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couldn't move it was like this wall

296
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would not let me move

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and then suddenly the light came and i

298
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was

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outside my backyard laying on the grass

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ice i could see i could look but i

301
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couldn't move

302
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i was stuck to the ground by this beam

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of light

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and i saw entities with large heads and

305
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big

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eyes walking towards

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this craft and i could see this craft

308
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was so

309
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huge it was bigger than our house it was

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huge

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and these two entities beamed up

312
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and the being came off me and i was able

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to

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sit up and i was bewildered i'm

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trying to figure out why am i outside

316
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you know i'm outside

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and i walked the back door

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and tried to get into my house but i

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couldn't

320
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now mind you i'm only six years old my

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parents come from church

322
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and uh they did i

323
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i was never i would never leave my home

324
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or leave the house unattended i i was

325
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always close to my parents or my

326
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my siblings um i knocked on the door

327
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my mom was shocked to see me outside i

328
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have no

329
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idea what time it was i i don't know i

330
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was only six

331
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but um i had to explain to my

332
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dad how i got outside

333
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you know so so let's just

334
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also just clear this up as far as um

335
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this was hartford connecticut is that

336
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right

337
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and it was and as far as you know it was

338
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1969 and the same date

339
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yes and so

340
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all right so it's not just the

341
00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:58,320
berkshires ufo and we're going to be

342
00:15:00,310 --> 00:14:59,680
talking with mike a little more about

343
00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:00,320
that

344
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in just a minute but um so how did you

345
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:07,040
deal with this you know right after it

346
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:08,399
happened you said you

347
00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:10,639
they had to explain why you were outside

348
00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:12,000
but let's just talk about

349
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that and and then i'm going to bring

350
00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:15,839
mike in after trying to make sense of it

351
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as a little six-year-old being the

352
00:15:22,949 --> 00:15:19,760
daughter of a pastor the only

353
00:15:25,269 --> 00:15:22,959
reference i had was the bible

354
00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:25,279
i had never seen a human being or

355
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something that looked like these people

356
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:31,759
and it was i was trying to

357
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make sense of it um

358
00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:37,600
but i couldn't i didn't i did not know

359
00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:40,160
what to say all i said to my dad was

360
00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:42,880
when my mom asked me tell explain to

361
00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:45,199
your dad how you got outside was dad you

362
00:15:51,430 --> 00:15:47,360
and mom were correct

363
00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:51,440
demons are real and they took me

364
00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:55,839
well my dad got upset

365
00:16:01,430 --> 00:15:59,759
he got upset and he sent me to my room

366
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:01,440
and i wasn't allowed to talk about it

367
00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:03,759
ever again but i wasn't treated

368
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:06,800
well after um i was

369
00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:09,440
scared to talk about it because of the

370
00:16:12,949 --> 00:16:11,360
way i was treated

371
00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:12,959
and i've been holding this for a long

372
00:16:16,870 --> 00:16:15,360
time until i saw the unsolved mysteries

373
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and

374
00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:19,920
the girl that was left in the park

375
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i don't know her name melanie

376
00:16:31,269 --> 00:16:27,040
melanie yeah melanie um her

377
00:16:33,189 --> 00:16:31,279
um i saw her her face the expression on

378
00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:33,199
her face is the same as it was when she

379
00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:35,519
was on that ship

380
00:16:38,629 --> 00:16:38,000
i thought she was i didn't recognize

381
00:16:41,189 --> 00:16:38,639
anybody

382
00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:41,199
until the expression on her face and the

383
00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:42,320
way they described

384
00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:44,720
everything that happened to them it was

385
00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:46,560
like i was reliving it all over again

386
00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:50,000
even talking about it now

387
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:54,480
gives me that feeling inside of fear

388
00:17:01,509 --> 00:16:58,399
i mean i don't i don't recall them

389
00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:01,519
hurting me um

390
00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:03,759
i just just the sounds that i was

391
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:05,039
hearing of the children

392
00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:08,959
crying and the fear in people

393
00:17:16,829 --> 00:17:13,839
in that girl's face and the fear i felt

394
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:16,839
that i was among some monster looking

395
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:19,439
things to me they were demons

396
00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:21,919
um but i know now that they weren't you

397
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:22,559
know

398
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:26,720
they're just other entities

399
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:30,720
yeah it was really hard

400
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:34,960
yes i mean for a six-year-old to process

401
00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:37,840
something like this it's uh i mean

402
00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:38,640
you're

403
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:42,480
you just had something

404
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:45,600
happen to you that you know it

405
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:48,160
is unlike anything that's ever happened

406
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:48,640
um

407
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:50,880
that you know of so uh yeah i can't

408
00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:52,480
imagine what that's like

409
00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:54,880
how to deal with that and how to process

410
00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:55,840
all that

411
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:01,360
it was it was uh i i thought

412
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:03,679
like as you grow older you think you

413
00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:04,640
know life

414
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:08,240
becomes like a dream so i

415
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:11,039
thought to myself that maybe it's a

416
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:12,720
dream you know how when you

417
00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:14,799
when you think about your past and

418
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:16,240
things seem like a dream

419
00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:18,400
kind of yeah so i was trying to

420
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:20,640
rationalize it maybe you know it was a

421
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:22,400
dream maybe it really didn't happen

422
00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:25,840
until last year that i saw the unsolved

423
00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:27,760
mysteries

424
00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:30,640
about the berkshires and that just blew

425
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:31,520
my mind

426
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:34,240
i just started bawling and i called my

427
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:37,600
daughter and i told her baby i think

428
00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:39,600
i think that what happened to me um

429
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:41,440
happened to these people too and it's

430
00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:48,549
so until you watched the unsolved

431
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:50,960
mysteries was this always kind of a like

432
00:19:22,470 --> 00:18:51,440
a

433
00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:22,480
um

434
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:24,320
she said that i needed to get right with

435
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,080
jesus

436
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:28,240
did she remember the you being outside

437
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:29,679
the locked outside

438
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:32,960
yeah she remembers she remembers

439
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:34,960
me being locked outside and she didn't

440
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:36,080
even know

441
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,360
how i got out there um i didn't know how

442
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:41,360
i got out there all i know is that

443
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:44,720
where i woke up and where they left me

444
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:48,640
outside i mean we lived on the second

445
00:19:51,909 --> 00:19:49,360
floor

446
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:51,919
on 24 baltimore street is a two-family

447
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:52,799
home

448
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,270
my mom um was very

449
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,320
she kept us all very close so we we

450
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,080
weren't allowed if you did not

451
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:08,480
if you weren't a member of our church or

452
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:09,440
you did not

453
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:11,760
go to the same denomination that we went

454
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:14,880
to we weren't allowed to talk to you

455
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:18,720
wow so as far as tv and things of that

456
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:19,840
nature my parents

457
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:23,840
controlled what we saw who we talked to

458
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:27,039
how we dressed everything wow

459
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,080
well thank you we're going to be

460
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:30,159
bringing you in uh throughout the show

461
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:31,919
but uh thank you so much for sharing

462
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,799
that it

463
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:34,640
it seems like it took a lot of courage

464
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,919
to do that thank you

465
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:37,679
yeah and uh again we'll be bringing you

466
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:39,280
right back in but tom

467
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:42,880
um well she just said

468
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:45,120
you know that she didn't feel like she

469
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:46,159
was never hurt

470
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:47,919
or she didn't feel the threat of being

471
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:50,640
hurt is that how you felt as well

472
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:53,840
uh i i think it was

473
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:56,640
i didn't really feel hurt i just felt

474
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:57,520
like

475
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:00,320
there was something happening you know

476
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,070
like i was being tortured or anything

477
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:10,080
for me it was more like

478
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:13,520
i i was being allowed to observe

479
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,799
what was going on there and

480
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:18,960
what the unsolved mysteries didn't say

481
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:21,200
was two weeks later

482
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:23,840
i had a second encounter and that

483
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,640
encounter

484
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:27,200
lasted 45 minutes and i have no idea

485
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:28,320
what happened then but

486
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:31,679
this particular time it was like i was

487
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,640
wandering i

488
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,080
remember the table that she was

489
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,159
referring to i

490
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,159
i talked about that in a number of

491
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:40,480
interviews and i remember the table

492
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:43,679
uh and i remember the wall the wall oh

493
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:44,000
she's

494
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,600
it just freaks me out i'm talking about

495
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:50,000
i mean i remember melanie off to my

496
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:51,600
right she was off to my right

497
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,880
the first girl was taller i i glanced i

498
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,000
looked down

499
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:58,000
and it's like i didn't want to look at

500
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,600
anybody else's faces

501
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:01,120
that's what was scaring the hell out of

502
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:02,640
me was the other kids faces

503
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:05,280
and were they all horrifying horrified

504
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,760
and

505
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,520
the next one i didn't even look at the

506
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:09,840
third child down

507
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:12,640
was marisol and i recognized it from her

508
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:13,520
child picture

509
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,000
when she sent it i i cried yeah

510
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,120
yeah tough really really is tough

511
00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:23,600
i mean it's hard to talk about because

512
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:24,440
these things

513
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:27,520
profoundly change you as a human being

514
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:35,990
you just ask like what why me

515
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,679
you know i mean i mean at 10 years old

516
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,520
you just don't understand it you know

517
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,600
you're just like what's going on

518
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,280
you know the next thing you know when

519
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:47,760
i'm back down i'm like

520
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,240
was it was it all as far as you know was

521
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:52,240
it all children

522
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:55,360
i did not recall seeing any adults no no

523
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,240
i did not see no adult well well the

524
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,080
oldest one i saw was melanie she was in

525
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,159
adult shoes yeah and that happened in 69

526
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:04,640
69 right so you know it could have

527
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,600
happened to someone but

528
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,200
at this point they may not be here any

529
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:09,280
longer you know they might not but yeah

530
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:12,640
but i remember the section of that ufo i

531
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:13,120
was in

532
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,320
there might have been another section

533
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:16,799
but the section that i was in

534
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,280
were children yeah your children you're

535
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,960
in the kids department i was in the kids

536
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,400
department

537
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,960
all right i'm going to bring in mike uh

538
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,919
mike cisnero

539
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:28,000
uh welcome and thanks so much for

540
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,679
joining us can you first of all

541
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,760
give us your background and and what

542
00:23:37,230 --> 00:23:33,840
what you observed in everything

543
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:37,240
sure i'm going to take you back to

544
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:40,400
1969 and i'll give you a little bit of

545
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,760
a little bit of background of where we

546
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:44,880
lived

547
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,840
on the north shore of eastern long

548
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,760
island and

549
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:54,240
my dad was the chief of police uh and my

550
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:55,279
mom

551
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,039
and the family uh ran the local marina

552
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:02,480
and um and that's what we did from

553
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:13,510
on memorial day uh on labor day weekend

554
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:17,520
of 1969 on the first of september

555
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,039
and i remembered it very well because

556
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,039
we operated the marina from from

557
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,039
tuesdays to sundays

558
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:27,919
and mondays we were off but because of

559
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:28,400
the

560
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:32,480
holiday weekend we were open that monday

561
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:36,159
on the first mom and i closed the marina

562
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:36,640
down

563
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:39,760
and we lived about a mile away further

564
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:40,320
out

565
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,080
on the peninsula of land and

566
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:46,000
we closed the marina down and we're

567
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:47,600
heading um

568
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:52,080
home on a dirt road and

569
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:55,279
right before we turned off to go to our

570
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:55,919
house

571
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,880
in our driveway i looked to my right and

572
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:00,480
i saw this

573
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:10,870
with multi-colored lights on it

574
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,240
strobing and it was moving slowly

575
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:17,279
and i told my mom we were in a old

576
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,480
willy's jeep

577
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,120
open top and i told my mom i said look

578
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:22,799
mom look at that thing

579
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:25,840
uh she stopped the jeep and we watched

580
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:26,240
it

581
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:30,159
gonna guess

582
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:33,279
300 feet above the

583
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:36,880
land surface and um

584
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:40,240
it was it was silent um

585
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:43,919
and it went i went past us

586
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,880
over the top of us and we uh we raced

587
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,559
down to the bluff because we lived on

588
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:49,679
the water

589
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:52,559
and we jumped out ran up to the bluff

590
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:53,279
and we

591
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,960
watched it proceed um over long island

592
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,159
sound

593
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,640
over towards connecticut and and we

594
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,240
watched it

595
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,120
for a period of time and then it went it

596
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:07,520
went out of sight we couldn't see it

597
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:11,600
any longer um we went back to the house

598
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:14,960
later on that afternoon my dad came

599
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:18,799
uh and we told him about it and

600
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:21,919
he had been working that day

601
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:25,039
in uniform and he acknowledged that they

602
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:26,000
had gotten

603
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:29,760
other phone calls in relation to this

604
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:37,510
obviously we remembered it uh

605
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:40,720
we talked about it as a family

606
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:44,159
and that was kind of it um i

607
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:47,120
i tell the story to other people that i

608
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:48,320
felt comfortable with

609
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,440
if the topic came up in later years but

610
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,640
i never really

611
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,679
expounded on it um let me ask let me ask

612
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,799
you this might get

613
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,480
uh for those of you that can see this

614
00:27:02,549 --> 00:26:59,919
did it visually look

615
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,559
similar to this image at all i mean was

616
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:04,320
it anything like that

617
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,679
i'm gonna get to that okay all right

618
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:10,320
that martin so i'm gonna fast forward to

619
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:11,279
the summer of

620
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:14,880
2020 and um i had gone to bed

621
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:18,480
um early and my wife

622
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:21,760
i had stayed up to how to watch some tv

623
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:25,279
the next morning when i got up um

624
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:28,320
she said to me that she had watched this

625
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:31,760
this program on netflix about

626
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,360
ufos and this uh incident that happened

627
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:38,320
in the berkshires and and she said to me

628
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,360
she said

629
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,240
you got to watch it and i went yeah okay

630
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:43,679
and she said no no

631
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,919
you need to watch this and i went yeah

632
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,120
okay she goes no

633
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:49,679
mike you need to watch this and she did

634
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:50,720
not elaborate

635
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,000
uh beyond that but she was so insistent

636
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:57,039
so that night we went and we watched the

637
00:28:05,430 --> 00:27:57,760
episode

638
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:05,440
um and tom was a major

639
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:08,799
um player in that uh and i'm

640
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:12,080
i'm sitting there and you know i'm

641
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:13,200
waiting for

642
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,960
something to happen and eventually it

643
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,559
did

644
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,240
and the shoe that dropped was when they

645
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,399
went into into tom's

646
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:25,679
studio and they showed the drawing

647
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:28,799
of the object that had

648
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:31,679
abducted him and i sat right up in my

649
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,559
chair

650
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,039
and i told her i said that's what i saw

651
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,159
that's exactly the thing that i saw

652
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:39,919
and she just smiled at me and said

653
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,840
that's why i wanted you to see this

654
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,279
so as a result of that

655
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:47,200
i thought about it for the rest of that

656
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:48,480
night and

657
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,200
um and the next day i put on my

658
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:52,960
detective shoes again

659
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,000
and um i made some phone calls and i

660
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,000
tracked down

661
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,120
tom i got a cell phone for him

662
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:03,440
and i called him up and i didn't know

663
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,159
how

664
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,840
he was going to receive it because he

665
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,159
had no idea who i was

666
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:11,039
uh or what i was going to say but he

667
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,240
listened to me and

668
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,360
i think i said something like um look i

669
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,240
watched the netflix show

670
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:21,200
and you got to hear what i gotta say um

671
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:22,240
i believe you

672
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:24,880
uh and this is the reasons why so i

673
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:27,360
explained that on the whole story to him

674
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:31,279
and but what he drew i was a dead ringer

675
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:34,320
for um what i saw

676
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:37,279
and very similar to that image that you

677
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:37,760
showed

678
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,830
yeah well well thank you i'm just going

679
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,200
to pull in the uh

680
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:47,120
there it is this is the image that you

681
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,799
saw that's basically what it looked like

682
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:49,840
with that but

683
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,120
as far as you remember um

684
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,679
by the way i i had a 1953 willie so

685
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,880
they're pretty awesome

686
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,480
they don't go very fast and they're loud

687
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:00,480
but i love it um

688
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:03,679
so when you saw this thing can you

689
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:07,039
give an idea of size wise how big do you

690
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:08,240
think this thing was

691
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,000
it was big um i i mean it was not a

692
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:15,120
um it was big i want to say that thing

693
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,399
was

694
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:18,960
three or four hundred feet across um it

695
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:22,080
was it was sizable

696
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,760
because he couldn't miss it i mean it

697
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,240
was it was huge

698
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,320
and the thing that struck me was that it

699
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:30,080
was moving slow but there was

700
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:33,760
no sound we were able to race down our

701
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,559
driveway

702
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,880
uh quarter mile to get to the bluff and

703
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:38,240
still see it

704
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,200
as it traveled north over the sound

705
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,720
and the other thing i did the next

706
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:46,399
morning was

707
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:50,720
i wasn't quite sure where um

708
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:54,080
tom lived in great barrington so i got

709
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:55,120
on the computer

710
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:04,230
sure as god made little green apples

711
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:07,360
that track that it took

712
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:10,399
from essentially

713
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:13,120
over the top of our house over towards

714
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:14,720
connecticut was a

715
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:18,559
direct line out of great barrington um

716
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:21,440
it was in that direction uh and i

717
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,559
remember very clearly

718
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:27,120
interesting very interesting now i'm

719
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,320
wondering

720
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,880
if where hartford lines up in the in the

721
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:33,200
whole situation

722
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:36,799
yeah um marisol can uh test for this

723
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:39,039
uh if you remember where uh where port

724
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:40,080
jefferson

725
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:43,679
is on long island marisol

726
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:47,840
yes i do okay um so

727
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:50,000
you know that's the general area that i

728
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:51,200
lived in

729
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:54,080
a little bit south of there um on the

730
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,039
bay

731
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,519
but um it was i was heading towards the

732
00:32:02,549 --> 00:31:58,559
bridgeport

733
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:05,269
well that's really something and um you

734
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:06,000
know i mean

735
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,840
it's it's really when you think of

736
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,000
whenever this topic comes up it's

737
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,080
concentrated here

738
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:16,559
in this area this the greater area right

739
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,440
here

740
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,600
but this is really i mean as far as i

741
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:20,880
know this is the first

742
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:23,600
anyone's talked about it happening

743
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,240
elsewhere

744
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,559
the same night and we had someone that

745
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:28,000
was supposed to be here

746
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,840
tonight that didn't make it uh why don't

747
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:31,919
you tell tell what he was going to say

748
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:32,399
anyway

749
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:35,600
couldn't

750
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,880
show up the clarks and i

751
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:41,200
were friends growing up on lake

752
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,320
champlain and a little

753
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:45,840
a little town of woolsboro and willsboro

754
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:48,240
was a peninsula that went out into lake

755
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,120
champlain

756
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:51,440
if you think of where burlington vermont

757
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,240
is that's just

758
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:54,559
south of that if shelburne point and the

759
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:55,519
vermont side

760
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,760
willsboro point on the new york state

761
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,039
side

762
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:00,799
and we've been we'd go up there for

763
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:03,519
summers year after year after year

764
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:07,600
and that summer prior to us going

765
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,720
prior to us going back

766
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,679
my father had us down having a campfire

767
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,120
and my father

768
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,039
which my father always told funny

769
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:19,840
stories but this particular night

770
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:22,960
my father was very very serious

771
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,000
and he turned around and he said

772
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,120
he started telling a ufo story and i

773
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,960
didn't even know what a ufo was i didn't

774
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:32,240
even know what he was talking about but

775
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:35,840
my father's fear and my father's face

776
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:38,320
made me know that he was serious and he

777
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:39,600
says if you ever see

778
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,519
ufo kids you run and i'm like

779
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:44,880
i didn't even know what he was talking

780
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,720
about and the story had told it was um

781
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,880
about a ufo sighting over in vermont

782
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,559
across the lake and i'm thinking like

783
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:54,320
well that's way over in vermont it's

784
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,600
it's all the way on the other side of

785
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,440
the lake

786
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,960
and i said i'm never going to see one of

787
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,559
these and

788
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,480
a little two and a half weeks later was

789
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:04,480
september 1st and uh

790
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:07,519
i did see it and so the ufo

791
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,639
went from the berkshires and then went

792
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:13,119
north to where i was on vacation two

793
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:14,720
weeks prior to that

794
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:17,599
and it went over the clarks which was

795
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,159
we're

796
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:21,200
sort of like a quarter mile apart

797
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:24,560
you know and and the ufo went right over

798
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:25,119
bill

799
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,560
yelling take me

800
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,320
take me and his poor mother was just

801
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,599
going berserk

802
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,520
yelling billy you'll get away from there

803
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:35,200
you know and

804
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,320
and his sisters were all there i never

805
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,760
heard that story

806
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,760
until i was on coast to coast the first

807
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:43,280
time and

808
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,560
and his sister who was in italy typed me

809
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:48,480
back a message on on

810
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,760
on an email message and said you have to

811
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,359
call me because

812
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,879
it happened to us the same night and

813
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:57,040
that's how i found out and we were

814
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:57,839
friends

815
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,160
for years and years and we never talked

816
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:02,079
about it would sit on the beach and we'd

817
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,880
be all

818
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:05,119
looking up at the stars looking you know

819
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,320
for shooting stars

820
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:08,079
but we never told each other we were

821
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:09,440
looking for ufos

822
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:12,079
and we never never made that connection

823
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:12,560
until

824
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:15,440
uh we did coast to coast and after that

825
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,000
we we

826
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,839
connected on the whole subject you know

827
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:19,280
it's pretty bizarre

828
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:22,560
wow um just to let everyone know that's

829
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,440
watching live

830
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:26,240
listening live uh we're going to uh the

831
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,720
last

832
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,160
hour of the show we're going to be

833
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,400
taking calls and bill will be screening

834
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,560
but i will try i'll actually if um

835
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,000
you're in chat

836
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,119
and you're looking to uh post a question

837
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:39,040
just put it in caps if i happen to catch

838
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:40,240
it it's a little

839
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:43,280
uh tricky tonight for me doing this but

840
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,720
um if i happen to catch your

841
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:47,040
question i will uh i'll put it up there

842
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:47,839
for um

843
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,040
and for one of us to answer so um

844
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:53,760
but i mean not me but you can answer it

845
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:54,320
so

846
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:58,800
yeah um uh jane just let me just ask you

847
00:36:02,870 --> 00:35:59,680
this

848
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,880
of awkward to sort of face that way

849
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:05,040
but when this happened to you when you

850
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,560
saw this happen

851
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:08,240
um and this is kind of a question i'd

852
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,599
like to ask everyone

853
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:11,680
how did it impact your life did you

854
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,880
think about it

855
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,960
a lot over the years or is this

856
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,000
something that

857
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:18,400
no because nobody talked about it back

858
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:19,119
then

859
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,000
no one no one you never heard about it

860
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:24,160
at school you never heard it

861
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:27,359
from neighbors nothing

862
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:30,560
um the night that my grandmother

863
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:35,280
passed away just before her death

864
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,599
she said to me and she was reaching up

865
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,920
talking to my grandfather i'm coming i'm

866
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:47,510
all of a sudden she said to me

867
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,760
do you remember september 1st 1969 i

868
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:52,960
said grandma i remember

869
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,400
it vividly why it's gonna come around

870
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,520
it's gonna come to light and everybody's

871
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:03,520
gonna talk about it

872
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:06,839
two hours after that she passed away

873
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,400
wow wow nobody talked about that

874
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,160
nobody talked about it my grandmother

875
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:13,839
and i never talked about it

876
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,040
nobody it was all hush hush nobody

877
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:18,800
talked about it

878
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,920
wow and but as far as like you going

879
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,040
through life

880
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,200
was that kind of like it was always in

881
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:26,720
the back of my mind

882
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:29,920
um i didn't actually harp on it

883
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,990
my husband passed away in my house in

884
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,320
2011 and then

885
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,240
then it came to light and i was like why

886
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,079
didn't anybody talk about this

887
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,560
way back when yeah and that was the only

888
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,000
time i thought about it

889
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,720
all those years really well really

890
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,560
because my grandmother had died and she

891
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,079
said that to me

892
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:58,160
and then i questioned myself why hadn't

893
00:38:02,950 --> 00:37:59,520
anybody talked about it

894
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:02,960
all these years since 69

895
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,320
yeah but nobody did nobody did nobody

896
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,560
did

897
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,560
well interesting i'd actually like to

898
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:12,480
ask um

899
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,920
ask each of you i'll start with you mike

900
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,160
um so you're you're sort of young when

901
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:20,720
you saw this

902
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:24,240
about how old were you again i was 16.

903
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:27,440
so you're 16 and what did what type of

904
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:30,880
impact like moving forward i mean first

905
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:31,359
of all

906
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:34,079
yeah did you try to understand what the

907
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,359
heck it was

908
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,760
did you did the word ufo even come up

909
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,280
and and you ran across

910
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:41,520
and and and how did it affect your life

911
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,560
from here on

912
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,640
from there on out i understood that it

913
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:46,160
was a

914
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,359
a very unique experience and that's the

915
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:51,040
way that i treated it um

916
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:54,320
i think i felt i was fortunate to have

917
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:55,040
seen it

918
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,480
i had heard about um ufos

919
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:01,040
when i was growing up um obviously in

920
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,000
that era

921
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,720
you know there was a lot of uh space

922
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:06,000
type shows

923
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:09,920
um and uh you know so i had a

924
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:13,200
interested in to begin with and the fact

925
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:13,680
that

926
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,920
i saw one um my mom was right there to

927
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:19,839
verify it was

928
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:22,960
you know to me it was it was just a cool

929
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,760
thing

930
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,760
and that's the way that i kind of

931
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:27,520
treated it

932
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,560
i would think about it occasionally um

933
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:33,839
throughout my life you know i might be

934
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,040
outside um i'm camping

935
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,839
in the summertime or in the fall or

936
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,720
outdoors

937
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:43,119
especially when i was i was working on

938
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:43,920
duty

939
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,640
in the late hours you know sometimes you

940
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:48,480
just get out of the car

941
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:51,520
and you look at the sky and um up in

942
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:52,560
vermont where

943
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,839
um i moved to and lived and worked

944
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,680
occasionally we'd see the normal light

945
00:40:02,710 --> 00:39:59,520
so um

946
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,720
at certain times of the year you know i

947
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,440
i'd go to one place in particular where

948
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,280
there was very little um

949
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,760
artificial light and i'd look for the

950
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:11,599
northern lights

951
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:13,920
and i think about that that time that

952
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:14,960
that i

953
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:18,400
saw that uh that object so close

954
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,760
uh and so vividly and um i don't know

955
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:24,240
i feel in a way i kind of feel like i

956
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:25,440
was blessed

957
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:29,040
um i will say in the winter

958
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:32,880
of 1970 um

959
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,839
my parents were driving me home from a

960
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,839
basketball game

961
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:40,560
we had a night game um and they came and

962
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,440
watched the game

963
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,200
and we're coming home so it was probably

964
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:44,720
about

965
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,400
nine nine thirty at night and when we

966
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,720
got to stretch a road that leads to our

967
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:52,079
house

968
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:56,160
it's on a bay so there isn't any uh any

969
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,119
woods nearby

970
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:59,920
and i happened to look off to the south

971
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:01,040
out the window

972
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,319
and i saw these six objects

973
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,720
up in the sky a distance away they

974
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:08,400
weren't close they were

975
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:10,720
off in the distance and uh and these

976
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:11,839
things were

977
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:16,560
moving in unison uh very rapidly

978
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:19,680
uh climbing uh

979
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,400
scooting and then coming back down again

980
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:23,839
and just kind of

981
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,359
all over the sky and uh

982
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,599
i said to my parents look at that or

983
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:31,040
check that out

984
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,800
and they stopped the car and they looked

985
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:34,480
at it and they both

986
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:38,079
saw it as well um i had a

987
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:41,359
older brother who was a police officer

988
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,359
um and he was on duty that night

989
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,520
and the next time i think we saw him the

990
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,720
next day because it might have been a

991
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:50,079
saturday game

992
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,119
uh and i think he came to the house

993
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,520
the next day for our sunday dinner with

994
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:56,800
his family

995
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,280
um and we mentioned it to him and he

996
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:01,119
said oh yeah oh yeah we got

997
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:04,640
a lot of reports on that a lot of calls

998
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:07,920
and you know that was the only other

999
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,359
incident i've i've been involved in

1000
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,520
in my life where i saw something in the

1001
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,800
sky that

1002
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,480
i could not explain that i didn't know

1003
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,960
exactly what it was

1004
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,520
yeah yeah but i'll ask you that marisol

1005
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,200
the same question in just a minute

1006
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,119
but i also want to say this um i've

1007
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,280
listened to in the last couple of days

1008
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:30,240
i've listened to a couple of uh podcasts

1009
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:31,440
on basically

1010
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,040
the report that has just come out and uh

1011
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,599
it's kind of in and listening to you

1012
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,680
know the skeptical side of it

1013
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,680
it's a little tough to hear some of it

1014
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,440
but basically a lot of people

1015
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:45,760
are just saying well the report didn't

1016
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,480
say

1017
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,800
it was extraterrestrial so and and i'm

1018
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:50,160
not necessarily saying

1019
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,680
it is i'm saying we don't know what it

1020
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,000
is but they're kind of like trying

1021
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:56,000
the the two podcasts i listened i had a

1022
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,920
very long ride as i mentioned earlier

1023
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,280
today so i listened to

1024
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,839
a two-hour podcast and another uh

1025
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:02,960
podcast about an

1026
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:06,079
hour basically talking about this um and

1027
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,040
and different

1028
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:09,760
you know different angles on it and um

1029
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:10,240
and

1030
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,960
completely wrong they said

1031
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,400
and it's it's kind of ironic because

1032
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,400
they both said as fact

1033
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,280
that it was a mogul balloon and that was

1034
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,960
the fact and they had it all

1035
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,200
explained so they didn't do enough deep

1036
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:27,119
diving into that to see that that was

1037
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,000
just one of the

1038
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:31,359
five times the uh the air force

1039
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:34,480
uh one of their five stories on on on

1040
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,440
what it was that

1041
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,599
was found and i'm not saying 100 that it

1042
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,200
was aliens either i'm just saying

1043
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:41,520
that's another example but what i'm

1044
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,240
getting at

1045
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:44,640
through all this labbing i'm doing here

1046
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:45,599
is uh

1047
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:49,200
when when all of you here um

1048
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:52,000
uh tom you included jane you included

1049
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:53,680
when all of you hear

1050
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,560
that these people saying ah it's nothing

1051
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,280
there's nothing to it

1052
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,880
i don't know who wants to take it first

1053
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:02,400
marisol since you haven't spoke for a

1054
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,440
little while

1055
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:06,079
um you gotta unmute but um how do you

1056
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,880
take

1057
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,960
that when people say that's nothing it

1058
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:11,119
doesn't mean anything it's it's silly

1059
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:15,440
it's uh i just kind of smile and put my

1060
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:18,560
head down because um

1061
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:22,240
i can understand i used to be skeptic um

1062
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:25,599
i i didn't

1063
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:29,359
believe that these things were

1064
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,119
real um

1065
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,319
and my parents didn't want me to talk

1066
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:38,960
about it when i did speak about it i was

1067
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,960
punished so i was afraid to talk about

1068
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:43,520
it

1069
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:46,640
until i got older and i started

1070
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:49,760
um reading things about people being

1071
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:50,640
abducted

1072
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:54,960
and i was afraid for my own children

1073
00:45:02,829 --> 00:44:58,960
um so i started letting my children know

1074
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:02,839
as soon as they hit first second grade

1075
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:05,359
because i

1076
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:08,480
feel that if my parents had

1077
00:45:16,349 --> 00:45:12,640
warned me somehow that maybe

1078
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,359
or or or weren't so

1079
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,599
closed-minded to listen to me about what

1080
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:21,040
was happening

1081
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,829
it would have made a big difference

1082
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:32,150
yes thank you thank you for that now i'm

1083
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,440
going to ask uh

1084
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,599
tom how does that how does that make you

1085
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,119
feel when you hear that there's

1086
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,119
people just say there's really nothing

1087
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,960
to it um you know i'm not saying

1088
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,240
everyone is saying that

1089
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,760
as a matter of fact that report kind of

1090
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,599
shows that there probably is something

1091
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:46,480
that they need

1092
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,760
more funding but they also are one of

1093
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,560
the podcasts

1094
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,400
for instance they say oh it's our our

1095
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:54,240
technology i don't think they had that

1096
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,440
type of technology

1097
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,200
even now but they certainly didn't have

1098
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:59,359
it in 1969.

1099
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,319
i i completely agree with you uh you

1100
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:03,839
know one of the things is that

1101
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,040
the back to the bill clark story

1102
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,520
uh they were investigated by the

1103
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:11,520
plattsburgh air force base the very next

1104
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,920
day

1105
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,400
and they did an extensive report on them

1106
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:16,240
and yet that never showed up in project

1107
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,119
blue book

1108
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:19,520
so the fact that the government did look

1109
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:20,720
into the

1110
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,079
the episodes that night uh

1111
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,880
shows that that they did know about what

1112
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,480
was going on there and

1113
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,720
with unsolved mysteries we we had there

1114
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:32,400
was chat that they were going to do a

1115
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:33,680
second episode on

1116
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,800
on the the air force

1117
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,480
interaction with all the but they didn't

1118
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:40,960
do it but however

1119
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,839
uh but there was something on facebook

1120
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,119
here not too long yeah

1121
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,400
that's true and and the and

1122
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:51,359
so bill was actually they did check out

1123
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:51,680
bill

1124
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,040
quite extensively on on that and

1125
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,160
but myself my reaction to it is

1126
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:59,760
when you see something with your own

1127
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:02,319
eyes you know what you've seen

1128
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,680
you know you don't have to have someone

1129
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:05,440
tell you

1130
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:08,640
you're crazy crazy or whatever yeah you

1131
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:09,760
know what you saw

1132
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:12,319
and the fact that you know here we have

1133
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,040
jane

1134
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:16,560
ufo beam

1135
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:19,599
and you had marisol who witnessed me on

1136
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:20,160
that

1137
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,800
and we both witnessed seeing melanie so

1138
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:24,319
it's not like i mean we're complete

1139
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,200
strangers

1140
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,040
you know we didn't know each other we're

1141
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:28,800
just kids at that time

1142
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,870
the the speed at which that went there's

1143
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,240
nothing

1144
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:40,480
there's there we don't have that

1145
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,359
technology

1146
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:43,280
you know that was witness eyewitness

1147
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,119
going across lake champlain in a split

1148
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:47,520
second that's just under 22 000 miles an

1149
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:48,240
hour

1150
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:51,680
going slow yeah now jane

1151
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,720
i'm gonna ask you you're probably i'm

1152
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:56,160
guessing that you really don't pay that

1153
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,040
much attention

1154
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:59,359
to what is going on in the news with

1155
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:00,720
ufos or do you

1156
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,960
i do oh you do okay i'm sorry i took you

1157
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,480
do so wrong do you think about the

1158
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:08,800
report then when it came out in their

1159
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:12,319
their well i saw something on facebook

1160
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:15,760
um here about two weeks ago and it was

1161
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,160
about

1162
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,880
ufo so i clicked on it and they're

1163
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:20,559
saying that this pilot

1164
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:23,599
was coming across the united well some

1165
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:24,079
from

1166
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:27,680
another country to the united states

1167
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:31,040
and they reported it and the government

1168
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:38,069
you know and this is what happened you

1169
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,760
know even if they did this back in 69

1170
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:44,400
that's probably why nobody you know even

1171
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:45,440
talked about it

1172
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,960
at that time right right

1173
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,559
it grabs your nuts we have some

1174
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,319
questions that come up but i

1175
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,359
just want to keep this rolling and yeah

1176
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:57,040
and i'll get back to you tom and then

1177
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:58,160
we're going to put the questions up

1178
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:59,599
there in a second thank you for putting

1179
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,920
those

1180
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:02,400
in and what about you mike i mean how do

1181
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,200
you feel

1182
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,599
have you been paying attention to you

1183
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:07,920
know since 2017 the new york times

1184
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,480
article

1185
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:11,040
and all this or is that is any type of

1186
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:12,480
fascination

1187
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,760
to the ufo topic um yeah yeah i do pay

1188
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,200
attention to it and

1189
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,520
obviously there's in other um other

1190
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,040
reports of

1191
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,599
uh abductions all around the country for

1192
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:25,520
a number of years so

1193
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:28,480
i'm always interested in it um in the

1194
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:28,960
past

1195
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:32,160
if i've related

1196
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:36,640
my experience um and people will

1197
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,520
you know i mean they respect me but they

1198
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,119
kind of look at you and say well you

1199
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,440
know i'm not too sure about that

1200
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,200
and i'll just tell them look i

1201
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:47,760
understand that but seeing is believing

1202
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:51,359
so if and when you see one then you will

1203
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:52,400
believe

1204
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:56,000
and i have no doubt of their

1205
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,920
existence and you know i bet my life on

1206
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:01,040
it

1207
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,480
yes uh i i understand and um

1208
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,960
i'm a person that had a ufo sighting and

1209
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:08,720
so is donna sitting in this

1210
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,160
room here um so um

1211
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:14,880
jane here's a question for you and that

1212
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:15,520
is uh

1213
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,559
murray wanted to know how long was tom

1214
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:19,760
running on the spot

1215
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,559
and how far away were you from tom at

1216
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,319
the time you saw him

1217
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:26,160
okay he ran out of our house he ran

1218
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,829
and he got to the rock and it just

1219
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:33,520
looked like he was standing at that

1220
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,720
rock running in space

1221
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,480
for about seven minutes and then all of

1222
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:40,559
a sudden that light came on while the

1223
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,680
light came over him

1224
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:43,119
and that light was there and it looked

1225
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:44,960
like he was just

1226
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,680
you know kind of running in space and

1227
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:48,960
the next thing i know

1228
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:51,680
he was gone would you say he was 200

1229
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,400
feet from you

1230
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,559
100 feet or would you would you want to

1231
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:55,839
guess how far

1232
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:59,040
i mean did you find it 150 not 50 feet

1233
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,000
at most

1234
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,880
across the driveway and by the rock yes

1235
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:04,559
50 60 feet almost

1236
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:07,680
yeah and wow um

1237
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,920
and i heard this seven minutes thing and

1238
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:11,440
someone questioned me about that how did

1239
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,559
they know it was seven minutes

1240
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,720
he was gone for seven minutes right or

1241
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,079
thereabouts that was an

1242
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,960
unsolved mystery uh i do remember them

1243
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,640
saying something about him being gone

1244
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:21,680
for seven minutes

1245
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:24,559
yeah the light was the light came on him

1246
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,839
as soon as he got to that rock

1247
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,680
i saw him look that way and i was like

1248
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:30,800
what the heck is he looking and i'm

1249
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:31,599
trying to see

1250
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,319
from the window what he was looking at

1251
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:36,319
and i couldn't see

1252
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,440
and then the light came on and it was

1253
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,280
seven minutes from one

1254
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:44,240
until he ended up over in his yard yes

1255
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:45,040
about that

1256
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:47,359
yeah um i i just was wondering about

1257
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:48,559
that because i saw that

1258
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,440
um during the show and tom how long did

1259
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:53,040
it feel like you were

1260
00:52:02,630 --> 00:51:56,880
in that oh like half a second

1261
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,230
time the whole thing about time is that

1262
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:08,640
you know we have this concept of time

1263
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:09,280
you know

1264
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:12,480
we're one second 60 there's one second

1265
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:15,040
and there's 60 units to one minute

1266
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:18,880
and and 60 minutes to an hour

1267
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,319
but this literally changed time i

1268
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:25,040
i mean it's like it was like second by

1269
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:26,640
second was broken down

1270
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:29,920
so one second was just going in slow

1271
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:30,880
motion

1272
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:35,520
and and so i was seeing everything

1273
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,800
and taking all these images in and yet

1274
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:39,839
it felt

1275
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:43,359
pretty fast it's like the second time i

1276
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:46,640
had an abduction it seemed like one

1277
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:49,599
second and 45 minutes had gone by so

1278
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:53,440
time is is is really hard to describe

1279
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,800
but you know i would probably say

1280
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,160
seven to ten minutes would have been

1281
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,000
pretty accurate you know

1282
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,680
from what i everything i remember i

1283
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,359
wasn't i wasn't up there that long maybe

1284
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,119
10 minutes at most

1285
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:08,000
but that was long enough by the way oh

1286
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,960
uh okay

1287
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:10,960
um i think we have a little bit of a

1288
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,079
confusion here

1289
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:14,800
so uh bill okay so we're gonna run the

1290
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,760
break

1291
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,839
coming up in three minutes i i thought

1292
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:19,200
it was gonna be the next hour but that's

1293
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,760
fine

1294
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,040
we'll run the break here in just a

1295
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:23,440
minute bill so uh i'll be back to you

1296
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:25,839
on that and just in just two minutes but

1297
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,000
right now i wanted to put up this

1298
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,160
other question from mary grace who

1299
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,920
always has interesting questions has

1300
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,960
anyone else

1301
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,800
in the round robin had repeated

1302
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:36,559
experiences of any kind

1303
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:39,599
who wants to answer that well

1304
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,470
well there was one that happened two

1305
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,160
weeks after that

1306
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:52,720
and it was definitely it was two weeks

1307
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,079
to the day

1308
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,640
and i was having a catch with my brother

1309
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,240
and the ball went back and forth

1310
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,880
and and i threw the ball and the ball

1311
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:02,640
stopped about 15

1312
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,920
feet and then it went past me

1313
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,760
and as i was running after the ball

1314
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:09,200
actually james

1315
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:11,599
james your brother and my two brothers

1316
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,640
and they're running up and they're

1317
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,400
yelling did you see the ufo was right

1318
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:16,079
over tommy's head

1319
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:20,559
and i just remember thinking i i just

1320
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,680
i just go oh not again there was another

1321
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:26,079
time you were walking up from the

1322
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:35,190
i was the last one up the hill so

1323
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:39,349
you were up well tommy uh billy's house

1324
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:40,480
wasn't there at the time

1325
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:41,839
right we were walking up through the

1326
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:44,240
field and it was a light over you then

1327
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:44,799
too

1328
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,000
see i don't recall that but i i just

1329
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,880
i've had a number of experiences and the

1330
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:53,040
last one was actually like um

1331
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,359
i would say about a year ago which is on

1332
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,880
coast to coast that i

1333
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,640
sorry about your competitor but you sent

1334
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:00,400
me here

1335
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,480
i did i mean you did you did send me to

1336
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,839
connie and she's a wonderful

1337
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,280
shout out to connie willis coast of

1338
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:07,200
coast and uh anyway

1339
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:10,559
and and i told her i said i went down to

1340
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,680
sheffield

1341
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,160
and and my friend i was bringing a

1342
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,000
client down to sheffield

1343
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,240
to the bridge where which was where tom

1344
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,480
ray had seen his ufo the guy goes

1345
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,480
i think i saw ufo and i said just don't

1346
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,240
don't be talking like that i don't wanna

1347
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,960
you know i'm like i gotta drive here and

1348
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,559
i left them off and i didn't think of

1349
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:30,079
anything of it and i'm driving back and

1350
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:31,200
i said oh my god

1351
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,799
i just i saw the ufo and i'm like

1352
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,680
did i did i you know and i'm like well

1353
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,440
if it's going to drop right over me

1354
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,760
then i can definitely call up martin and

1355
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:43,359
say martin you can complete what

1356
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,640
happened today

1357
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:47,119
and as i'm coming out on alfred road all

1358
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,319
sudden i saw this

1359
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,760
light and it was like it was following

1360
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:51,680
me and i had that mental telepathy just

1361
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,000
like i did in 1969

1362
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,040
and and i said if that's you

1363
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,400
leave me a sign and when i pulled

1364
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,799
into my driveway there was an orb that

1365
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,200
was about the size of the grapefruit

1366
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,599
sitting right outside here on that lilac

1367
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:08,960
tree

1368
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:12,079
and i got my camera out and i i just

1369
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,359
click click click and i'm looking at

1370
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:15,119
this thing and it moved from the lilac

1371
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,799
tree right into the house actually right

1372
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,720
in back of you jane

1373
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,880
and and the light came right on the

1374
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,839
house

1375
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,680
and then it started moving forward and

1376
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,280
so i took the camera and i put the

1377
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,720
camera out in front of me and i'm just

1378
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,240
click click click click click

1379
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,480
and it it went into the snow forward

1380
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:32,559
forward forward and then it went

1381
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:35,599
right into me what did you feel

1382
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:37,920
uh anything a little adrenaline you

1383
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,799
might say

1384
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,079
you know i was like i couldn't believe

1385
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:42,079
it and i i did feel adrenaline you know

1386
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:43,520
i don't know if it was just natural

1387
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,240
adrenaline

1388
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,400
did an orb i just took pictures of an

1389
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:48,720
orb going into me

1390
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:51,520
but i got the message that they were

1391
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:52,400
there

1392
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,079
and so i've accepted it the

1393
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,400
what's profoundly changed me about all

1394
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:00,160
this

1395
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:03,520
is that i asked that question why tommy

1396
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,079
warner

1397
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,200
you know and and all these things were

1398
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,079
slowly answered over time and i had to

1399
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:13,440
come to that realization that that it

1400
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,839
had

1401
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,400
meaning and and and what was that going

1402
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:18,480
to do with that meaning and and i

1403
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,000
and i i realized that but coming forward

1404
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:24,559
i was helping people like mary seoul

1405
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,680
you know to to help people like that

1406
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,359
by going out and putting this

1407
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:30,880
information out there

1408
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,280
there are people out there that can't

1409
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:35,119
talk and then

1410
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:37,599
they get a voice someone that will you

1411
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,480
know

1412
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,880
be okay with it and and people people

1413
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:42,960
all over the world have contacted me

1414
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:45,839
and and if anybody's out there that

1415
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,319
needs to talk you can find me i'll

1416
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,000
listen to anybody you know it'd be

1417
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:52,319
helpful to anyone and i hear i hear that

1418
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:53,119
a lot

1419
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,960
at people that do talks at conventions

1420
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,640
right that people come up to them after

1421
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,000
they talked and

1422
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,880
they just want to be heard they just

1423
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:03,839
it's almost like

1424
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:06,960
therapy it's it's

1425
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:10,240
very group therapy but you know the fact

1426
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:11,839
is

1427
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:14,079
i don't know anybody else that's been

1428
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,760
seen in a ufo being

1429
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,599
disappear in that beam and then be

1430
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:19,040
witnessed on the ufo

1431
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,160
not once but twice the second time there

1432
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,319
was a guy that's in my book we refer to

1433
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,160
him as x because he doesn't want to talk

1434
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:28,480
anymore so we just call them x's x files

1435
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,280
you know

1436
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,920
and when i was 13 years old we were up

1437
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:33,599
on lake champlain this is three years

1438
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:36,319
after this has happened keep in mind

1439
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,960
and we came off a dock and i'm swimming

1440
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,480
in this kid's next to me and

1441
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,839
he looks at me and goes you know about

1442
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:44,079
ufos i'm like

1443
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:47,119
no he said yes you do no no

1444
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,880
yes you do and i looked down and said

1445
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,960
how would you know that because

1446
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,119
because i was on that ufo and i remember

1447
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:54,799
you and your brother

1448
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:57,359
but your brother wasn't on it was he

1449
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,240
second time

1450
00:59:01,270 --> 00:59:00,880
but he doesn't want to talk about it now

1451
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:01,280
which

1452
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:04,640
just don't want to talk about it you

1453
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:05,599
know

1454
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,119
but when he mentioned i i was like oh

1455
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:12,079
but we named him x for a number of

1456
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:13,040
reasons and

1457
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:15,040
and he's not talking about his

1458
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:16,880
experiences because he had experiences

1459
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:17,200
that

1460
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:21,760
was not the pilot

1461
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:24,079
now i'll tell the pilots would you like

1462
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:25,359
the pilot story too

1463
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:28,319
sure yeah so anyway so you talk about

1464
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:30,839
things continually happening right

1465
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:34,559
so it didn't get talked about it did get

1466
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:36,559
talked about

1467
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,599
but in small groups so

1468
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,520
but when i was on like champlain not too

1469
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:43,040
many people knew about it so i was

1470
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:44,240
comfortable with that and

1471
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:45,920
i got a call to go over and visit this

1472
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,319
guy and he says

1473
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:50,079
you need to do me a favor you need to go

1474
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:51,839
down to the beach and i said why

1475
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:54,880
he just said a buddy of mine's down at

1476
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,079
the beach he's going to be down the

1477
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:58,160
beach meeting you and it's about ufos

1478
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:01,359
and i said okay you know i'm like i

1479
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:02,319
didn't want to really

1480
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:05,599
talk about it but i went down

1481
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,200
and i and and uh i suppose

1482
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:11,440
you know this is where my my respect for

1483
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:12,799
vets started coming in

1484
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,680
steve steve bonds is our cameraman who

1485
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:17,200
shout out to steve

1486
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,319
and and i

1487
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,559
and i went down and he was in khakis and

1488
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:24,480
everything and he's pacing back and

1489
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:25,760
forth and i could see he was really

1490
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:28,000
agitated and i said

1491
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:33,359
hey i said i'm tom and he says uh

1492
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:36,559
you uh believe in ufos and i said yeah i

1493
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:36,960
do

1494
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:42,319
told him about the september 1st 1969

1495
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:43,440
thing

1496
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:46,640
and and he was tearing up and he says um

1497
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:49,680
i said and you he says

1498
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:53,520
i was in the united states air force

1499
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:57,200
and i had a lock on on a ufo

1500
01:01:01,190 --> 01:01:00,559
and and when i landed they were forcing

1501
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:01,200
me to

1502
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:05,040
sign paperwork to say it wasn't a ufo

1503
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:06,880
and i refused and they said you have two

1504
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,559
choices sign the paperwork or you're

1505
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:10,720
never in the air force

1506
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:14,079
and and he said to him fu

1507
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:17,119
and uh he figured he'd speak with his

1508
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:19,119
commanding officer the next day and the

1509
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,960
next day he went to go on base and they

1510
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:23,040
didn't even recognize him

1511
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:24,640
and he was so distraught he was

1512
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,720
considering suicide until he talked to

1513
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:28,480
me and he thanked me says you saved my

1514
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:30,000
life and i said why

1515
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,520
he says because i was thinking about

1516
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,200
suicide

1517
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,599
until i talked to you and i never talked

1518
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:37,760
to him again

1519
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:40,000
it sounds you know very conspiratorial

1520
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:41,440
but do you think it's all

1521
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:44,960
i mean any conspiratorial in what way

1522
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,960
um that well a lot of people see ufos i

1523
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:50,480
just have never heard

1524
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:52,079
i mean i'm not doubting your word that

1525
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:53,520
he said this to you right

1526
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:55,520
but i'm just saying that um a lot of

1527
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:57,280
people have seen ufos and i've never

1528
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:58,160
heard of

1529
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:01,680
um them actually getting booted out of

1530
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:02,000
this

1531
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:06,480
it was booted up is god as my witness

1532
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:09,760
and and and that's the last time i

1533
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,119
talked to him he's 16 years old

1534
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,880
in fact martin if you go into the

1535
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:14,160
records of

1536
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:17,200
16 what i was 16 you were 16 if you go

1537
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:19,280
into the records about 19

1538
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:21,359
that would have been 1975 that's when

1539
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:22,720
all the sightings up in maine

1540
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:26,000
around the air force base were happening

1541
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,880
so there you go yeah so all right well

1542
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:30,000
i'm going to continue on

1543
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:34,160
with this question i know mike um you

1544
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:35,039
actually

1545
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:38,640
um said that you had let me just get you

1546
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,200
up here

1547
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:41,280
you actually said that you had a

1548
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,400
sighting in marisol

1549
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,640
i'm going to ask you but um that was it

1550
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:46,960
i mean not that that wasn't amazing in

1551
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:49,039
the 70s you had a second sighting

1552
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:51,200
anything else uh just continuing on with

1553
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:52,160
mary grace's

1554
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:54,559
question any other experiences in when

1555
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:56,799
it comes to ufos besides that other one

1556
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:59,920
no um not personally i've talked to

1557
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:00,720
people that

1558
01:03:07,029 --> 01:03:04,079
that that have shared with me that they

1559
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:07,039
have had sightings and experiences but

1560
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:09,039
one thing i will tell you is that

1561
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:12,240
um after that uh and

1562
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:15,280
and still to this day um i spend a lot

1563
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:16,240
of time

1564
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:19,839
looking up in the sky um

1565
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:22,000
you know because you just never know and

1566
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:22,960
uh

1567
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:34,319
looking at up there and i said no i'm

1568
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:35,359
i'm just looking

1569
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,119
seeing what's out there to be seen so

1570
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:41,280
you know that's one way that it um

1571
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:42,240
impacted me

1572
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,680
and my behavior but uh

1573
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:47,760
and and with mike with your your

1574
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,880
background and your

1575
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:50,559
clearances that you obviously had to

1576
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:52,240
have and things like that

1577
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:55,680
um how do you i mean have you

1578
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,119
ever felt like uncomfortable

1579
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:01,680
talking about this i mean is there is

1580
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:03,280
there a point like even being on this

1581
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,000
show

1582
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:06,480
does it make you a little nervous or are

1583
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:08,319
you feeling more confident since a lot

1584
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:09,039
of people are

1585
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:12,079
talking about these days um i never had

1586
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:12,960
a problem

1587
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:16,240
ever i in talking about it um you know

1588
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:17,119
it was kind of

1589
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:20,400
a personal experience and that's just

1590
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:21,839
the way that i'm wired

1591
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:25,200
um i would talk about it if somebody

1592
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,839
in conversation they brought it up they

1593
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:29,680
saw something in the sky or

1594
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:33,200
they related a um something that they

1595
01:04:37,029 --> 01:04:34,319
had heard

1596
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:37,039
and i'd tell them about it but it isn't

1597
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:37,680
it isn't

1598
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:40,400
anything that i just i just threw out

1599
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:40,799
there

1600
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:44,079
i mean i told my wife about it years ago

1601
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:45,760
when we began to date

1602
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:49,200
um which is the reason why and

1603
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:52,720
i described the object to her

1604
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:56,480
in great detail and um

1605
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:59,119
and that's the reason why she was so

1606
01:05:02,710 --> 01:04:59,920
insistent

1607
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:02,720
that i watched the netflix show because

1608
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:04,799
she knew that it was one of the same

1609
01:05:08,589 --> 01:05:06,799
uh and i had told her that it was i was

1610
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:08,599
labor day weekend

1611
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,720
1969 and uh it stood out for me because

1612
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:14,400
that was

1613
01:05:20,549 --> 01:05:17,680
essentially the end of our of our normal

1614
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:20,559
uh hours at the marina so it was a big

1615
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:21,599
deal

1616
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:25,200
yeah yeah really interesting

1617
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:28,880
um thank you and marisol um

1618
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:32,240
the same question have you had

1619
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:35,039
um any other experiences or is this and

1620
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,960
not that your experience was

1621
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:38,880
not one to talk about but was that a

1622
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:40,720
one-off so to speak

1623
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:44,319
yes um i had um

1624
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:47,920
i'm still having things happen um

1625
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,079
in 1989 um i lived with

1626
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:55,119
my sister in southington connecticut and

1627
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:56,319
um

1628
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:58,559
she lived in this really pretty condo

1629
01:06:02,789 --> 01:05:59,359
and

1630
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:02,799
one whole wall was out

1631
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:06,799
and um i was sleeping in her couch

1632
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:09,280
you know mind you we had gone out it was

1633
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:11,119
a friday night

1634
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:14,079
um we went out and had a few drinks came

1635
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:15,599
back home

1636
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,880
and you know i went to bed um she used

1637
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:20,559
to date this guy named

1638
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:23,359
he's calling pete the geek he used to be

1639
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:24,319
uh

1640
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:27,920
a helicopter pilot for the army

1641
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:30,880
um and uh he used to make it a habit to

1642
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:34,319
kind of fly around his helicopter

1643
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:37,359
you know and just do little cameos above

1644
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:39,599
the condo to let my sister know that you

1645
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:40,559
know he's

1646
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:43,599
there watching over her so i thought it

1647
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:44,079
was

1648
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:47,280
this

1649
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:53,280
light um shining on my face on the couch

1650
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:56,319
through that window so i you know opened

1651
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:57,359
my eyes i

1652
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:00,559
saw this light i ignored it and turned

1653
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:03,599
away from the light and

1654
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:07,599
um i found myself on a ship with uh

1655
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:09,520
these entities were nothing like the

1656
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:12,640
ones in 1969

1657
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:16,000
they were very tall very pale

1658
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:20,319
kind of glowing um very human-like

1659
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:25,599
um it uh

1660
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:33,910
wondering um and freaked out because

1661
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:38,319
um i was fully aware

1662
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:40,880
i was not a little six-year-old girl and

1663
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:42,000
now i'm an adult

1664
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:44,720
and these people are standing in front

1665
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:45,359
of me

1666
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:48,720
and the shock

1667
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:51,760
shock of seeing some

1668
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:55,599
tall person i mean it was maybe

1669
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,480
like a basketball eight seven eight foot

1670
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:00,480
tall

1671
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:04,160
very slender big blue eyes

1672
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:08,559
very human looking but the skin the face

1673
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:11,760
oh very pale

1674
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:19,110
and it wasn't just me they took my

1675
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:21,040
sister too um

1676
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:24,239
she won't talk about it but when that

1677
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:25,279
happened to me

1678
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,159
um i went to my mom and i told my mom it

1679
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:30,719
says mom it happened again and

1680
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:34,719
and uh i want to know what do you know

1681
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:37,120
what do you know and why is this

1682
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:38,640
happening and my mom

1683
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,359
told me that she wasn't

1684
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:45,600
she wasn't going to be able to elaborate

1685
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:47,359
too much about it because

1686
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:50,719
um she believes in god and that

1687
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:54,159
um she is aware that there's uh

1688
01:09:01,749 --> 01:08:58,640
other entities um that are not angelic

1689
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:01,759
that are interdimensional

1690
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:05,440
kind of angelic the way she described me

1691
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:08,960
was like it had happened to her but she

1692
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:11,679
won't admit it

1693
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:14,719
uh and it's happening still

1694
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:17,839
um i have sightings at my house

1695
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:20,880
orbs coming through the walls my

1696
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:21,679
daughter

1697
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:25,679
um and my son experienced it in

1698
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:28,239
when we first moved here to florida so

1699
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:28,960
this

1700
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:31,920
has not stopped so even if i move from

1701
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:32,640
connecticut

1702
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:35,920
i'm here in florida it's still happening

1703
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,719
and it's happening to my grandbabies

1704
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:40,640
it's happened to my children

1705
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:43,839
and i just

1706
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:46,880
i just want to know why

1707
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:50,239
what is it that they need for us

1708
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:53,520
well well let me ask you this um

1709
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:58,560
that's okay the a lot of people

1710
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:02,000
have very similar claims to what you

1711
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:05,199
are saying um you know as a as a

1712
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:08,080
generational type thing and in a family

1713
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,159
i hear this a lot and i'm just wondering

1714
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:12,719
i'm going to ask you have you spoken

1715
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:15,760
to anyone in particular like um there

1716
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:16,560
are

1717
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:19,679
uh places like even mufon had

1718
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,199
a group that was uh just talking to

1719
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:25,440
what they call experiencers have you

1720
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:26,480
ever spoken to

1721
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:30,560
any anyone about that um i've

1722
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:34,320
just recently like about in 2017 is when

1723
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,199
i started

1724
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:37,840
searching on facebook for other groups

1725
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:39,360
of people that have

1726
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:44,239
had experiences and it's helped me a lot

1727
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:47,360
um but i still have that

1728
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:50,400
uh i tell my children

1729
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:54,320
and my grandchildren i got my girls here

1730
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:57,280
um they're constantly seeing orbs go

1731
01:11:02,709 --> 01:10:59,040
through the walls

1732
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:02,719
um craft flying above the house i've got

1733
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:03,520
pictures

1734
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,149
it's weird and scary and i still don't

1735
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,239
know what's going on

1736
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,080
it's happening to me but i don't know

1737
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:19,040
what's going on

1738
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:22,159
why are they doing it well there are

1739
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:24,400
places to at least talk about it besides

1740
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:26,400
facebook and i can actually connect you

1741
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:27,679
i'd be happy to

1742
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:34,000
um so this uh question is for

1743
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:37,600
um let's see for jane and

1744
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:41,040
uh let's see jane

1745
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:44,560
uh did you subsequently have any dreams

1746
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:46,480
related to this incident have you ever

1747
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:48,239
dreamed dreamt about this over the years

1748
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:50,320
i haven't had dreams i never used a

1749
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:51,520
dream my dream

1750
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:55,280
dream dreamt one time at five years old

1751
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:57,360
that was totally different

1752
01:12:00,550 --> 01:12:00,000
i've had nightmares all my life about it

1753
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:00,560
have you

1754
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:02,640
all your life and i just didn't

1755
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:04,159
understand

1756
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,000
why this thing come out of the sky why

1757
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:08,400
did it come out and take tommy

1758
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,239
way back then um

1759
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:14,480
and i've had nightmares all my life

1760
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:16,719
after we did the film

1761
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:18,640
my nightmare stopped then i started

1762
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,719
dreaming again

1763
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:22,560
and that's the difference i mean i'd

1764
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:24,560
wake up and if anybody tried to wake me

1765
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:24,960
up i

1766
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:27,360
i was ready to kill him i need to see

1767
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:28,719
this

1768
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:31,199
and i'd and i'd go berserk and i'd hit

1769
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:31,840
him

1770
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,560
whatever don't try to wake me up out of

1771
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:36,960
the nightmare because

1772
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,159
no yeah i mean i've had nightmares all

1773
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:42,719
my life because of it

1774
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:45,199
but it because you know and then after

1775
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:46,400
my grandmother

1776
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:49,520
said that when she passed away

1777
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,600
i was like until he called me

1778
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,840
a couple about a month after she passed

1779
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:57,600
away wasn't it

1780
01:13:01,590 --> 01:13:00,719
well no no no it was just before it was

1781
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:01,600
just before

1782
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:05,040
it was just solved yes so it was from 93

1783
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:06,000
until then

1784
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:12,390
nightmares never stopped until we did

1785
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:17,590
they stopped after you did the film yes

1786
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:19,520
because then everybody was going to know

1787
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,640
what happened

1788
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:22,800
so it was no longer a secret it was no

1789
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:24,239
longer

1790
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:27,040
hidden from anybody and i think that's

1791
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:29,520
why it bothered me so much

1792
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:33,360
because of my history um

1793
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,040
i was the only one in my family that had

1794
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,440
nightmares

1795
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,840
so with the secrets out and it sort of

1796
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:41,280
like set you free in a way

1797
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:44,560
it did it did it did because i really

1798
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:45,199
enjoyed

1799
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:48,320
doing the film i got very interesting to

1800
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:48,800
get it

1801
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:51,920
out in the open yeah yeah

1802
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:55,280
um oh i see mike is gone i i i

1803
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:58,800
lost he'll be back no i i did have a

1804
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,000
um a question for him but um

1805
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,560
only because uh i just want to know

1806
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,239
about witnesses

1807
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,320
because his events seem pretty pretty

1808
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:10,640
big um

1809
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:15,040
as far as you know tom

1810
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:18,719
um all the people that have contacted

1811
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,520
you

1812
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:21,920
since unsolved mysteries came out quite

1813
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:22,560
a bit

1814
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:24,960
yeah so would you have would you dare

1815
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:25,760
say there were

1816
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:29,280
probably hundreds of witnesses um

1817
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:33,280
that's hard to say no i don't i i didn't

1818
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:35,679
say hundreds of witnesses but

1819
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:38,640
what i'm talking about in general i'm

1820
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:39,840
not talking about being

1821
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:43,280
sucked up on that oh no as far as people

1822
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:47,040
contacting me there was no i guess

1823
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:48,560
let me praise the phrase that again if

1824
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:50,480
you yeah

1825
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,960
if you had to guess how many witnesses

1826
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:54,320
to this evening

1827
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,520
that evening yeah well first of all you

1828
01:15:02,950 --> 01:14:59,360
have to remember

1829
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:02,960
you had to be in that location

1830
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:05,760
to have seen it so in our neighborhood

1831
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,120
you know you know

1832
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:09,679
you you figured jane's family might have

1833
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:11,760
seen someone and not all your family was

1834
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:12,239
there

1835
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,560
it was just me and graham you and graham

1836
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:16,239
and debbie stayed in the other room she

1837
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,120
didn't sit

1838
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:19,360
and then in my family there was there's

1839
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:20,400
a few

1840
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,920
down the street a quarter mile from here

1841
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:25,360
and live jane green

1842
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:28,640
and took out she and her kids james

1843
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:31,920
yeah green's kids saw it she was out

1844
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,120
and she saw it in stockbridge yeah

1845
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:38,159
so it depends where you were the whole

1846
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:39,440
thing where

1847
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:42,480
you know there might i mean it's

1848
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:45,199
who knows i mean no one definitively

1849
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:45,840
knew

1850
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:47,760
how many actually sought but i i will

1851
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:49,840
say this

1852
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,590
after unsolved ministry a girl that

1853
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,520
lived up right on the corner

1854
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,679
where what they call it the music box or

1855
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:03,199
whatever on the music box

1856
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:06,960
music box house i got contacted by

1857
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:10,480
a a young woman and she saw

1858
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:13,679
ufo in there in the late 70s and went

1859
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:15,040
right over their house in the

1860
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:18,159
late 70s so it's not like it they just

1861
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:19,600
seem to keep coming in this

1862
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:22,480
this area i don't know why you know but

1863
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:23,440
they do

1864
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:25,520
so yeah i was going to ask about that if

1865
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:27,600
this is potentially a hot spot and i

1866
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:29,760
know there's some military bases

1867
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:31,840
also and if there's anything related or

1868
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:34,560
not a military base in westfield too

1869
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:34,960
right

1870
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:38,159
now wait a minute there's

1871
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:40,719
there's uh a government contractor and

1872
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:41,280
makes

1873
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,320
something here well that was up

1874
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:46,719
well it was ge that made here's the

1875
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:48,400
thing we investigated

1876
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:56,709
santa's field too that they made stuff

1877
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,239
in santa's field the car family right

1878
01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:03,120
but in great barrington they had the

1879
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:03,520
first

1880
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:05,920
nuclear components what it was for i

1881
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:07,760
don't know that was in grant barrington

1882
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,560
but up in pittsfield they made the

1883
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:12,880
components for these warheads i mean

1884
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,080
ge was like oh yeah one of the top

1885
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:18,400
military components to this and that's

1886
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,199
just

1887
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:21,280
up the street what was really

1888
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:22,640
interesting is

1889
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:25,440
is that willsboro where that came the

1890
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:26,560
second time

1891
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:29,199
was they had a missile silo and it was

1892
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:30,800
one of the number one

1893
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:32,719
rockets that was supposed to go to

1894
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:34,800
russia

1895
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:39,600
and so so there was always that

1896
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,480
were they interested in military i mean

1897
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,080
it's a whole nother discussion

1898
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:47,040
because when you when you this goes back

1899
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:47,600
to

1900
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:50,000
you know even in the in the world war

1901
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:50,719
two where the

1902
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:53,120
these pilots are seeing all this stuff

1903
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:53,840
and so

1904
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:57,760
you ask yourself are they just keeping

1905
01:18:09,669 --> 01:17:58,080
an

1906
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:09,679
reason

1907
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:12,000
why i talk about all these things is

1908
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:12,719
because

1909
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:16,080
i really think that you i i'm like a

1910
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:16,960
messenger

1911
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:20,640
that i have to tell this stuff and

1912
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:22,800
and we in one of many interviews that

1913
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:24,960
i've done in documentaries i said

1914
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:28,480
if we wanted if we want to have humanity

1915
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,800
and we want to expand upon humanity and

1916
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:32,880
go to other planets we're like oh wow

1917
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:34,880
we made it to mars well we sent

1918
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:37,520
something to mars

1919
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:40,960
but this technology that's out there

1920
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:43,280
is so far advanced from us and they're

1921
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:44,159
like

1922
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:47,440
we're in the model t and they're driving

1923
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:50,719
maseratis okay and we're not even close

1924
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:53,280
and so to get to that point you have to

1925
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:54,480
be in it to win it

1926
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:56,480
and to be in it we have to preserve the

1927
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,080
earth and everything and

1928
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,960
otherwise you need time time is the key

1929
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:02,480
element to everything

1930
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:06,719
if you don't have time you're done

1931
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:09,199
it's that simple um there's a lot of

1932
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:11,040
people that speculate about

1933
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:14,640
nukes and ufos and there's like um

1934
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:16,400
stanton friedman used to say the kids

1935
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:17,679
found the matches

1936
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:23,120
you know

1937
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:29,120
my these memories that were put in me

1938
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:32,560
are so complex you know i mean

1939
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:34,480
it's one thing to say were you i was on

1940
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:35,920
a ufo and

1941
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:38,159
and it's very emotional for me to talk

1942
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:40,239
about those issues

1943
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:43,440
because you know i see the

1944
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:46,000
pain when i talk about that i'm no

1945
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,280
longer

1946
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:49,440
the adult sitting here i'm the 10 year

1947
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:51,920
old child and so sometimes i cry about

1948
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:52,239
it

1949
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:54,719
and my soul is the same way because

1950
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:56,480
you're you're the child

1951
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:59,520
but then when i back off and i look at

1952
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:01,600
all the experiences that i'm being

1953
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:04,640
guided through my life to to do

1954
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:07,280
it's it's a responsibility and the

1955
01:20:11,110 --> 01:20:08,639
responsibility is

1956
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:11,120
is to talk to people about this these

1957
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:13,040
things and it's like

1958
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:15,280
you know you can say oh it's all hoo-ha

1959
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:17,199
and all that i've heard all that garbage

1960
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:20,880
i've heard all that garbage but you know

1961
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,639
the most difficult thing i ever talked

1962
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:24,239
about martin

1963
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:27,199
is that when we as human beings as human

1964
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:28,000
beings right

1965
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:32,000
as human beings we have we take in

1966
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:35,600
images and every experience is recorded

1967
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:37,280
in the mind

1968
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:40,320
as senses are are shown to us whether it

1969
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:40,639
be

1970
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:43,679
sight hearing feeling whatever and we

1971
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:45,040
record these

1972
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:48,800
these images in these recordings

1973
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,760
depending on the severity of of the

1974
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:53,120
event

1975
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:56,800
september 1st was of course recorded in

1976
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:58,960
incredible detail you could probably

1977
01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:01,040
remember christmas when you were a kid

1978
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:01,760
and you can

1979
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:05,679
movie that's played

1980
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:14,229
and the second movie is the movie i

1981
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:17,360
really don't talk about

1982
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:20,719
and it's memories that were put in me

1983
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:24,480
so i see another planet and i have clear

1984
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,199
vision just

1985
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:27,360
like i'm looking out at that tree or i'm

1986
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:29,520
looking over at the movie producer steve

1987
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:31,040
bonds over here

1988
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,920
jen kind of do that i see martin over

1989
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:35,760
here and it's recorded

1990
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:38,719
i have a second movie and that's the

1991
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:43,360
movie i don't talk about

1992
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:46,320
and when you say whatever the experience

1993
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:47,120
that happened

1994
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:49,840
was this going all the way back to your

1995
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:51,920
childhood or is this more recent

1996
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:54,880
no it goes back to childhood i mean all

1997
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:57,360
this stuff

1998
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:00,880
september 1st 1969 is the famous one

1999
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,800
you know i've had experiences my whole

2000
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:04,560
life i mean at four years old there's an

2001
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:06,480
attempted kidnapping of me at four years

2002
01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:06,880
old

2003
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:09,120
and they did not look human i remember

2004
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:10,080
you talking about them

2005
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:11,760
and i didn't they did not look you and

2006
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:13,440
you got run over by a car

2007
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:16,960
yeah well that was my father hey i

2008
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:19,920
got hit by a car when i was an infant

2009
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:21,280
underneath it i remember being

2010
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:22,639
underneath

2011
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,189
but this was in their driveway

2012
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:31,120
oh wow oh you hear about things like

2013
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:32,560
that right um

2014
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:34,639
um mike i just want to pop you in for a

2015
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:36,400
second because i want to ask you

2016
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,880
um your mics on you as well thank you um

2017
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:43,040
when you are witnessing this at the

2018
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:44,639
marina

2019
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:46,960
um i believe you said that people were

2020
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:47,679
calling in

2021
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:48,800
do you think there was a lot of

2022
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:51,199
witnesses out your your way that

2023
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:53,360
actually saw the same thing that night

2024
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:54,400
you know uh

2025
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:57,360
uh it's hard to say um when dad came

2026
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,000
home

2027
01:23:01,990 --> 01:23:00,480
uh we relayed what we had seen and he

2028
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:02,000
was like oh yeah

2029
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:04,480
yeah we got some calls on that from

2030
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:05,679
other people

2031
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:09,120
so and i tried to

2032
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:12,800
um i reached out to some law enforcement

2033
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:16,400
um in the area down there uh to see if

2034
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:20,719
if they could research the uh

2035
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:23,440
archives to see if there was uh if there

2036
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:26,239
was radio logs

2037
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:30,000
or reports that were written and um

2038
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:32,239
i gave them the date and the time frame

2039
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:33,280
as well so

2040
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:36,159
you know it was a pretty it was a narrow

2041
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:36,880
uh

2042
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:39,760
scope to look at um and i couldn't get

2043
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:42,400
anybody to uh

2044
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:44,880
entertain that uh they couldn't be

2045
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:45,440
bothered

2046
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:48,880
so um but i remember my dad

2047
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:52,159
uh acknowledging that oh yeah we got

2048
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:56,239
some calls on that and i'm not sure that

2049
01:24:03,189 --> 01:23:59,520
that he that he believed it uh

2050
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:03,199
until he heard from us and we were very

2051
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:06,000
clear and adamant and the description

2052
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:06,480
that

2053
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:09,600
we gave i had matched what the radio

2054
01:24:13,990 --> 01:24:10,880
calls that they had gotten

2055
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:14,000
or the phone calls that they'd gotten in

2056
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:17,040
so um

2057
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:19,120
i tried to find the documentation

2058
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:20,960
because tom and i

2059
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:24,320
i went back and forth on this um after

2060
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:27,920
in subsequent conversations that we had

2061
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:31,120
and um uh i just couldn't get anybody to

2062
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:32,159
look into it and

2063
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:33,920
i'm not even sure those records still

2064
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:36,080
exist honestly

2065
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:40,800
yeah and uh unfortunately when my dad

2066
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:44,560
uh when he passed away um he

2067
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:47,920
he had four file cabinets uh

2068
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:50,880
of cases over the years that he had

2069
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:51,920
worked on

2070
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:55,280
and he had uh he had notebooks too that

2071
01:25:02,709 --> 01:24:59,600
that he retained um and he kept notes on

2072
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,719
and uh it's unfortunate but when he

2073
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:04,080
passed my brothers

2074
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:07,440
uh threw all that stuff away they just

2075
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,159
got rid of it and

2076
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:12,400
i would have kept it if i'd been able to

2077
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:14,080
get down there in time

2078
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:17,600
uh before they did that so you know

2079
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:20,800
lost history um yeah unfortunately that

2080
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:21,600
happens

2081
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:25,040
it's it's really too bad but um

2082
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:26,800
it would have been really something if

2083
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:28,239
that was reported

2084
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:31,520
like if project blue book did get

2085
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:33,120
really involved i think they dissolved

2086
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,960
right after that uh

2087
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:36,800
it was nine it was in the winter that

2088
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:38,159
year that same

2089
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:40,639
so just a few months later so i think

2090
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:42,080
they were already at that point they

2091
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:43,760
were already winding down because they

2092
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:46,239
knew the condom report was going to

2093
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:49,600
um you know make them go away so um but

2094
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:51,199
it's really too bad it was right at the

2095
01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:52,639
very end of

2096
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,239
of project book that wasn't uh

2097
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:58,320
you know there may be some files that

2098
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:59,840
just haven't been found yet

2099
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:01,840
that's a very you know it's a very good

2100
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:03,920
possibility yeah

2101
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:06,639
yeah thank you for the interesting thing

2102
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:07,520
about it that

2103
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,440
i'm gonna say is that i um i said before

2104
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:13,199
that i spend a lot of time

2105
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:16,159
um you know looking at the stars and at

2106
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:16,960
the sky

2107
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:22,870
i would welcome another sighting um i

2108
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:23,920
just think it's very

2109
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:26,800
interesting and i've got a question for

2110
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:27,840
uh for tom and

2111
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:30,880
uh uh uh maxall

2112
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:35,600
do either of you have any um

2113
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:39,280
uh anxiety over uh overseeing

2114
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:42,480
uh one again or having another

2115
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:46,000
encounter uh like you did the first time

2116
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,440
all right marisa why don't you take that

2117
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:49,600
this one for now no

2118
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:52,639
um i do not have any anxiety anymore

2119
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:55,760
um the first time was more of a

2120
01:27:03,110 --> 01:26:58,880
shock the second time was

2121
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:03,120
a shock but i was more able to

2122
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:05,440
handle it somewhat better because i was

2123
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:07,280
an adult i was 24

2124
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:11,679
at the time um but uh it's

2125
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:13,600
i believe it's still happening to a lot

2126
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:15,120
of people and it's still going to

2127
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:16,239
continue to happen

2128
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:19,520
to my grandchildren

2129
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:22,719
other people's grandchildren and i'd

2130
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:24,159
like to just

2131
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:27,600
know why what's what is it

2132
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:31,360
why it's on my

2133
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:39,750
it still happens um we still have i

2134
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:41,600
still have um

2135
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:45,280
craft flying above the house um orbs

2136
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:49,440
going through the walls um

2137
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:53,440
i have uh it's uh it's a lot

2138
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:56,880
you know another thing marisol is uh

2139
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:59,280
a lot of people also say the same thing

2140
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:00,239
that you said

2141
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:03,520
as well as moving like it's kind of like

2142
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:04,800
i've always

2143
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:06,239
you know like if your house is haunted

2144
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:07,760
you want to move the hell out of there

2145
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:08,560
yeah

2146
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:11,840
but a lot of people have we'll talk to

2147
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:14,000
you about your haunted house in a minute

2148
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:16,800
but we have heard a lot of people say

2149
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:17,600
that they

2150
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:19,760
have moved and this thing continues and

2151
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:20,880
it doesn't matter

2152
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:23,840
where you live which is pretty bizarre

2153
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:24,480
so

2154
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,000
that is i believe that they're they're

2155
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:30,400
they're on a mission and um they've been

2156
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:31,199
doing this

2157
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:34,560
to the human population for centuries

2158
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:38,560
and um they're tweaking us

2159
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:40,239
i believe that they're tweaking the

2160
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:42,159
human body

2161
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:46,080
and um and we're all kind of like lab

2162
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:47,840
rats

2163
01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:49,360
well i think a lot of our brains could

2164
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:51,920
be tweaked if you want my opinion yeah

2165
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:55,280
yeah yeah uh so tom uh go ahead

2166
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:58,000
also along mike's question about the

2167
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:03,350
you know mike that's that's a that's a

2168
01:29:08,830 --> 01:29:04,480
good point about

2169
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:08,840
anxiety you know uh

2170
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:11,600
because

2171
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:14,320
when you think of these bizarre

2172
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:16,239
happenings that happen

2173
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,000
you you can't help but not have a little

2174
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:22,080
anxiety about it because

2175
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:25,520
you for instance i came home and there's

2176
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:27,360
an orb in my tree

2177
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:31,199
uh and or or

2178
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:33,040
some of these people that i know like

2179
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:34,239
marisol

2180
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:37,600
you know i'll mental telepathy

2181
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:41,679
somehow they get connected to me and uh

2182
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:44,080
and katrina i know you're up in in maine

2183
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:45,760
and i know you can hear me right now and

2184
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:46,880
i guarantee she's

2185
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:50,239
hearing me right now guarantee it

2186
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:53,199
that's another person yeah yeah yeah and

2187
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:54,239
and she had a

2188
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:56,960
an experience out of stockbridge so and

2189
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:00,239
i could hear her voice just then

2190
01:30:06,070 --> 01:30:03,840
so katrina hello so up here uh

2191
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:06,080
when you back when you said you had two

2192
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:07,520
movies going on

2193
01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:09,120
yeah and you didn't want to talk about

2194
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:11,040
it um someone

2195
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:13,520
david in chat is saying why not talk

2196
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:19,030
well it's kind of like why we didn't

2197
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:20,639
talk about it in the first place that

2198
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,159
there was a ufo there well the hell is

2199
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:24,320
going to believe you

2200
01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:27,360
and so there were certain people

2201
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:30,480
that i could relate to

2202
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:33,600
and i could came across my life

2203
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:35,760
where they had experiences where they

2204
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:37,120
could believe it

2205
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:41,360
and i've had a number of people that

2206
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:44,159
said they had similar experiences and

2207
01:30:48,149 --> 01:30:44,639
it's

2208
01:30:50,709 --> 01:30:48,159
so few people that

2209
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:50,719
i don't know if it does any good what

2210
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:52,320
good will it do

2211
01:30:56,310 --> 01:30:55,520
you know other than been my vision that

2212
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:56,320
vision was

2213
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:00,719
for me so that i can turn around and say

2214
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:03,440
as as humanity this is what we have to

2215
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:05,600
do to move on

2216
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:07,840
and and that there are other planets out

2217
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:08,800
there far

2218
01:31:16,709 --> 01:31:12,480
beyond ours and and the

2219
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:16,719
way we get there is is not

2220
01:31:20,229 --> 01:31:19,440
not through war not through hate but

2221
01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:20,239
through

2222
01:31:27,430 --> 01:31:24,080
learning of what we have here

2223
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:27,440
how for instance we see something

2224
01:31:33,270 --> 01:31:30,800
for instance we see a ufo uh and

2225
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:33,280
then we wonder how the heck is that

2226
01:31:37,270 --> 01:31:35,199
thing floating up there with no

2227
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:37,280
engine no sound and everything and how

2228
01:31:42,149 --> 01:31:39,840
does it go 80 000 miles an hour and when

2229
01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:42,159
we don't have that technology and the

2230
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:43,760
human brain

2231
01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:46,719
sits and it says how and when the when a

2232
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:47,679
human says

2233
01:31:51,669 --> 01:31:50,000
how they think and when they think

2234
01:31:55,910 --> 01:31:51,679
that's where science comes in

2235
01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:55,920
and that's when we learn and so

2236
01:32:02,310 --> 01:32:00,000
the whole process of of seeing something

2237
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:02,320
is so you tell your experience what you

2238
01:32:07,110 --> 01:32:03,760
saw to someone else

2239
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:07,120
and then and then perhaps they'll

2240
01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:09,600
think about it and how it's done and i'm

2241
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:10,960
sure

2242
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:14,000
our governments do as we speak could

2243
01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:15,120
very well

2244
01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:19,280
uh marisol mentioned the word earlier

2245
01:32:25,270 --> 01:32:22,960
i heard her say um the possibility of

2246
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:25,280
inter-dimensional and that's that's

2247
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:26,480
another thing

2248
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:29,280
that you hear a lot of people speculate

2249
01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:29,679
there's

2250
01:32:33,430 --> 01:32:31,360
some people say it's kind of older

2251
01:32:37,030 --> 01:32:33,440
versus could be that

2252
01:32:38,149 --> 01:32:37,040
could be time travel i mean there's

2253
01:32:40,229 --> 01:32:38,159
they're not always saying

2254
01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:40,239
extraterrestrial right um

2255
01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:43,040
alien to us yes that's that's you can

2256
01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:44,639
say that definitely well

2257
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:46,239
you know when you take when you start

2258
01:32:51,430 --> 01:32:47,840
talking about human

2259
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:51,440
alien hybrids they're

2260
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:55,199
they look like just like you and i only

2261
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:57,840
they're not and so you said well where

2262
01:33:02,709 --> 01:32:59,360
did they come from

2263
01:33:06,310 --> 01:33:02,719
do we know we don't

2264
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:06,320
and and i've had these experiences and

2265
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:08,480
and they're so bizarre there's this as

2266
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:09,920
bizarre as

2267
01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:14,400
september 1st 1969 and they've happened

2268
01:33:17,669 --> 01:33:16,480
and i you you know i've documented all

2269
01:33:20,390 --> 01:33:17,679
this stuff you know

2270
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:20,400
the documentary because i i i wrote my

2271
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:21,440
autobiography

2272
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:23,440
and and i'm not looking to push it i

2273
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:24,719
don't care

2274
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:26,719
i i did these things to help other

2275
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:28,080
people

2276
01:33:31,830 --> 01:33:30,560
because i'm sure when you talk about

2277
01:33:37,189 --> 01:33:31,840
orbs

2278
01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:37,199
for years i mean like what is that orb

2279
01:33:41,350 --> 01:33:38,320
floating in the room

2280
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:41,360
and i remember one time i did a painting

2281
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:41,760
which

2282
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:47,679
was a combination of my experience and

2283
01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:49,520
tom reed's experience

2284
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:52,480
but i put tom's face on the child

2285
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:53,360
because

2286
01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:57,360
i didn't want to talk about it and

2287
01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:59,920
so we showed the painting to a woman

2288
01:34:03,030 --> 01:34:00,560
over

2289
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:03,040
in eggermont and the woman started

2290
01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:05,120
crying and she wanted to see

2291
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:07,199
see the painting and talk about orbs and

2292
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:09,120
she goes my daughter saw orbs in her

2293
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:09,760
room

2294
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:11,760
and an alien was in the corner and she

2295
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:13,120
could see the alien

2296
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:17,120
mother couldn't

2297
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:20,159
and she goes you confirmed it for me and

2298
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:23,360
and so people see these things you know

2299
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:23,679
and

2300
01:34:30,310 --> 01:34:27,040
why is it that one person can

2301
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:30,320
see an alien in the corner and the next

2302
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:32,880
person can't

2303
01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:34,719
and why does some people have orbs

2304
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:36,800
coming now those orbs that i took a

2305
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:37,600
picture of

2306
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:40,400
i was fortunate i had the camera out at

2307
01:34:44,229 --> 01:34:42,239
that moment

2308
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:44,239
and those those pictures are online and

2309
01:34:49,750 --> 01:34:46,000
you've seen those pictures i mean

2310
01:34:51,910 --> 01:34:49,760
how do you you can't camera doesn't lie

2311
01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:51,920
yeah yeah um you know i got to tell you

2312
01:34:55,030 --> 01:34:53,679
i don't know if i had a camera in my

2313
01:34:56,790 --> 01:34:55,040
hand if i would think to even take the

2314
01:34:57,510 --> 01:34:56,800
picture if i saw something bizarre like

2315
01:34:59,189 --> 01:34:57,520
that well

2316
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:59,199
i was so used to it you're used to it

2317
01:35:01,430 --> 01:35:00,800
right now well when i came home and

2318
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:01,440
there's an

2319
01:35:05,430 --> 01:35:03,760
orb that's sitting like a grapefruit and

2320
01:35:09,189 --> 01:35:05,440
it's up there it's bright and i'm like

2321
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:09,199
are you kidding me i said send me a sign

2322
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:12,400
and and i'm like okay and i clicked

2323
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:14,960
and the thing moved and just when it

2324
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:16,080
right went into me i

2325
01:35:21,430 --> 01:35:19,520
oh my god i'll tell you i said

2326
01:35:23,109 --> 01:35:21,440
i hope these pictures came out and they

2327
01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:23,119
did so but they're online

2328
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:25,920
you know that's all i like it's it's

2329
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:27,600
it's like

2330
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:29,760
the human alien hybrid gave me the note

2331
01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:30,880
and god we trust

2332
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:32,719
if anyone out there knows what in god we

2333
01:35:35,669 --> 01:35:34,480
trust please just tell martin i would

2334
01:35:38,070 --> 01:35:35,679
love to know it you know

2335
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:38,080
but i have to know i mean it's not like

2336
01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:40,560
i didn't have this stuff i haven't

2337
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:42,880
is it here in this house uh yeah

2338
01:35:44,629 --> 01:35:44,159
somewhere but it's in my book if you

2339
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:44,639
watch

2340
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:47,920
the pictures yeah yeah yeah

2341
01:35:53,109 --> 01:35:51,440
yeah um let's see we have

2342
01:35:54,870 --> 01:35:53,119
another like 15 minutes before we

2343
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:54,880
actually do go on a break but we do

2344
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:56,639
uh but when we do i'm going to be

2345
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:58,080
playing that video

2346
01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:01,040
that we took earlier a beautiful uh uh

2347
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:02,719
setting here we're going to be

2348
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:06,239
uh bringing that up next right after

2349
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:08,239
the break which is coming up in a while

2350
01:36:10,229 --> 01:36:09,600
and i'm just looking to see if there's

2351
01:36:12,310 --> 01:36:10,239
any other

2352
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,320
uh questions that have popped up we are

2353
01:36:18,070 --> 01:36:14,400
again we're going to be taking calls

2354
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:18,080
uh coming up and as far as uh

2355
01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:19,679
all right we were talking about

2356
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:21,280
interdimensional that's one of the

2357
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:21,920
things and

2358
01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:24,560
marisol what was what was the reason

2359
01:36:29,109 --> 01:36:26,239
that you had for

2360
01:36:30,310 --> 01:36:29,119
bringing that up earlier uh and what

2361
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:30,320
made you

2362
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:33,760
um suggest that a possibility

2363
01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:38,880
the reason i suggest that is because um

2364
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:42,320
the appearance of these

2365
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:46,159
some of these entities um

2366
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:54,709
i don't know i don't know how to explain

2367
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:56,400
it's like looking looking through a

2368
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:58,080
sheer curtain that you can see through

2369
01:37:01,750 --> 01:36:59,440
it but you can't really

2370
01:37:04,830 --> 01:37:01,760
see everything but you can make out the

2371
01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:08,629
um my mother always spoke about

2372
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:12,880
interdimensional beings being um

2373
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:15,920
godly angels

2374
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:19,520
so i have a feeling

2375
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:21,920
that these interdimensional beings that

2376
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:28,229
um some kind of guardians

2377
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:33,360
some kind of guardians they look angelic

2378
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:36,880
they glow they

2379
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:38,480
they don't have wings like the angels

2380
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:41,920
that you see you know in the bibles

2381
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:50,790
different um very

2382
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:56,870
um their physique is very young and new

2383
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:58,709
i don't know how to explain it but it's

2384
01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:01,600
kind of like they come in and out

2385
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:03,199
i'm like when you're doing some sort of

2386
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:05,600
a hologram or something

2387
01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:08,639
that you could just pop the picture in

2388
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:09,360
front of

2389
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:13,040
someone else's face and change the whole

2390
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:15,600
look of the person

2391
01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:18,560
um these entities have the capability of

2392
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:19,600
changing

2393
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:23,760
their appearance they do

2394
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:30,000
yeah uh yeah thank you

2395
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:31,440
it's stepping over you're having a

2396
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:33,360
little bit of internet issue so

2397
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:35,280
um they're having storms though i know

2398
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:37,040
you're having that uh are

2399
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:40,000
has the hurricane hit you yet it's right

2400
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:46,550
oops i think you're you're muted at this

2401
01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:48,960
point sorry

2402
01:38:53,030 --> 01:38:51,040
there you go sorry about that go ahead

2403
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:53,040
okay it's not it's not raining it's

2404
01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:55,199
stopped raining but i'm sure it's gonna

2405
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:56,719
start again

2406
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:59,920
yeah yeah okay um so i guess i'll ask

2407
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:00,719
you

2408
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:04,400
entertained

2409
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:07,119
anything else besides the possibility

2410
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:09,119
that what you saw

2411
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:11,760
was extraterrestrial did you ever think

2412
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:20,229
no not at all um and given the size of

2413
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:21,040
that

2414
01:39:30,229 --> 01:39:28,080
it was moving which was slow but

2415
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:30,239
um if i remember correctly that day

2416
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:33,360
there wasn't any real wind to speak of

2417
01:39:37,030 --> 01:39:36,159
so to think that it was a weather

2418
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:37,040
balloon or

2419
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:40,800
some sort of a device that

2420
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:43,360
the weather people would use to how to

2421
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:44,400
monitor the weather

2422
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:47,600
no absolutely not and uh and ju the

2423
01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:50,960
the size of it the rotating

2424
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:54,080
lights on it um you know the fact that

2425
01:39:57,109 --> 01:39:55,040
it made

2426
01:39:58,149 --> 01:39:57,119
the sound there was no strings attached

2427
01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:58,159
to it

2428
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:01,920
uh there was still chords um it is

2429
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:05,600
what it was and i have no doubt in my

2430
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:07,360
mind that that it was a

2431
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:11,840
a um something out of this world

2432
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:16,159
and not not man-made that's for sure

2433
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:19,920
yeah i mean the the logic you hear like

2434
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:20,560
i mentioned

2435
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:23,760
earlier i had a long ride and um and i

2436
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:26,000
was listening to podcasts mostly on the

2437
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:28,080
uap report that came out

2438
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:30,159
a week ago friday or was it two weeks or

2439
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:31,520
whatever it was

2440
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:36,719
um a lot of them are saying in those

2441
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:39,040
podcasts dismissing it well it's

2442
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:40,239
probably our

2443
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:43,199
technology that we just don't know about

2444
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:44,719
but you know they never bring up they're

2445
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:47,840
only talking about cases from 2004

2446
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:50,560
to current they don't talk about what

2447
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:51,679
you saw

2448
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:54,000
they don't talk about anything like that

2449
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:55,600
and um so i think that's a

2450
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:58,080
that's a misconception that people are

2451
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,840
going to get that are looking in from

2452
01:41:03,109 --> 01:41:01,360
the outside

2453
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:03,119
that'll just listen to something like

2454
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:04,400
that or hear something on

2455
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:07,679
television and and take it as fact and

2456
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:08,239
then

2457
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:09,600
they're just going to move on and not

2458
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:11,520
have an interest yeah

2459
01:41:14,709 --> 01:41:14,400
military yeah and how can they explain

2460
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:14,719
the

2461
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:18,080
ancient

2462
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:25,199
and and creatures that are not

2463
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:27,679
human looking like us how can they

2464
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:29,040
explain that

2465
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:32,080
um obviously you know way back

2466
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:33,760
when there was no uh there was no

2467
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:35,520
weather balloons out there

2468
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:38,719
um how could you explain that

2469
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:41,920
so i

2470
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:44,480
i'm studying these phenomena and all the

2471
01:41:49,590 --> 01:41:45,280
things that

2472
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:49,600
that have come out through history and

2473
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:52,800
exploration and uh and archaeology um

2474
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:54,800
i have no doubt that we've been uh that

2475
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:57,040
we've been visited for

2476
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:01,040
you know for thousands of years um

2477
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:03,119
why who knows i don't know maybe they're

2478
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:05,119
interested in us and

2479
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:08,159
you know they want to see how this uh

2480
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:11,760
how this human race is is progressing

2481
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:14,800
or not i don't know

2482
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:17,840
yeah no i i agree and you know one in

2483
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:19,760
one of the podcasts i listened to they

2484
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:20,400
were

2485
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:23,520
kind of smirking at the fact or thinking

2486
01:42:28,149 --> 01:42:26,400
it was ridiculous this ancient thing

2487
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:28,159
but you know if you talk to someone like

2488
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:29,679
an astrophysicist

2489
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:31,440
or someone that really studies these

2490
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:33,679
things they're they're saying that

2491
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:36,960
the odds of our society meeting up with

2492
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:39,360
the same society

2493
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,520
is that someone's dog needs a dog on no

2494
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:43,440
phone or something

2495
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:46,960
that's okay um the odds of that society

2496
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:48,800
meeting up with the society at the same

2497
01:42:53,510 --> 01:42:49,600
level

2498
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:53,520
is nil it's like it's non-existent

2499
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:56,159
because of of you know the development

2500
01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:56,719
of

2501
01:43:01,030 --> 01:43:00,080
whatever it is um for for to line up

2502
01:43:03,189 --> 01:43:01,040
without there being

2503
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:03,199
a massive extinction event or whatever

2504
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:04,239
it is

2505
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:06,719
is very very strange so the fact that

2506
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:08,000
they have been

2507
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:09,679
visiting for thousands or tens of

2508
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:11,280
thousands or hundreds of thousands of

2509
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:12,000
years

2510
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:13,760
would not be surprising to me in any

2511
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:16,239
type of way

2512
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:19,280
i agree i agree

2513
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:22,480
yeah and it's and it's all good um

2514
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:25,280
you know i mean watch our development

2515
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:25,760
and

2516
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:28,960
why this the modern ufo era

2517
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:32,560
um because of nuclear

2518
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:35,360
you know tom talked about it earlier um

2519
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:35,760
and

2520
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:39,360
it very well could be um that maybe

2521
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:41,119
you know look at our technology that we

2522
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:43,040
have now we're gonna have the

2523
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:46,080
james webb uh telescope out there um

2524
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:48,320
it's gonna be able to see a lot more

2525
01:43:50,709 --> 01:43:49,440
well someday

2526
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:50,719
we're gonna have a technology that we're

2527
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:52,400
gonna be able to see life on other

2528
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:54,400
planets i believe we can get there

2529
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:57,600
some way um someday and

2530
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:59,920
there'll be no more need for seti in

2531
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:01,920
those type of programs

2532
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:04,239
and you know um that is one of i

2533
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,080
couldn't listen to it today but

2534
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:08,560
if anyone wants to look at a big picture

2535
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:09,760
of science just came out with the

2536
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:10,639
podcast

2537
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:13,600
and it's all about debunking the report

2538
01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:15,360
and about um

2539
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:17,440
uh mick west is on there and a lot of

2540
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:18,880
people are cringing i'm getting a lot of

2541
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:20,159
email by the way

2542
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:21,760
but a lot of people have listened to

2543
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:23,280
that today and

2544
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:25,440
um so one of the things i do want to say

2545
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:27,280
to you in particular mike

2546
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:31,119
and also to tom is when i had my ufo

2547
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:33,040
sighting was nothing spectacular like

2548
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:34,400
either one of you had

2549
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:36,560
nothing at all compared no comparison at

2550
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:37,760
all the

2551
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:40,480
the thing that really was the most eerie

2552
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:42,400
thing to me that i couldn't get over was

2553
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:45,280
the no sound thing how could it have no

2554
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:47,440
sound and move like it just did

2555
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:49,920
that just blew me away and i i just

2556
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:50,960
wanted to

2557
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:52,320
hear your feedback either one of you on

2558
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:54,480
that well

2559
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:56,560
that's the first thing i that that

2560
01:45:00,790 --> 01:44:57,679
caught my attention

2561
01:45:04,149 --> 01:45:00,800
was the fact that

2562
01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:04,159
once i ran across the driveway like

2563
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:06,239
back then there was september you'd have

2564
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:07,840
these september crickets the

2565
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:10,960
crickets in new england very very

2566
01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:13,360
loud they're very loud and all of a

2567
01:45:17,669 --> 01:45:14,560
sudden there was

2568
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:17,679
no noise i mean it was like

2569
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:20,880
like every noise got sucked out and uh

2570
01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:22,239
tom reed said the same thing

2571
01:45:26,070 --> 01:45:24,800
i mean there was no noise like no

2572
01:45:28,390 --> 01:45:26,080
crickets no noise

2573
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:28,400
you couldn't even hear anything no air

2574
01:45:34,149 --> 01:45:30,880
moving nothing you could hear nothing

2575
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:34,159
and and i was like i was like that

2576
01:45:37,910 --> 01:45:35,119
shocked me

2577
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:37,920
that really did you know the fact that

2578
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:39,280
that there was no noise

2579
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:41,920
and this when it moved the spacecraft

2580
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:43,199
moved

2581
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:46,239
it just rolls slowly it didn't make any

2582
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:47,040
noise

2583
01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:55,270
this government report comes out right

2584
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:56,960
and they said well

2585
01:46:00,709 --> 01:45:59,119
it may be other people's technology do

2586
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:00,719
you know why that is so

2587
01:46:05,109 --> 01:46:03,280
stupid do you know why it's so stupid

2588
01:46:08,149 --> 01:46:05,119
i'll tell you why it's so stupid

2589
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:08,159
do you think if china had the capability

2590
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,679
of these ufos

2591
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:11,520
that they wouldn't literally kick our

2592
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,800
ass overnight

2593
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:14,880
you've got another thing coming there's

2594
01:46:18,790 --> 01:46:17,280
no way no one has that technology

2595
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:18,800
well that's supposedly one of the

2596
01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:20,320
reasons for the report no

2597
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:23,920
the investigation right now now here's

2598
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:26,320
i'm going to tell you a quick story here

2599
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:27,520
we've got plenty of time we've got

2600
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:30,239
plenty of time i

2601
01:46:34,310 --> 01:46:32,400
i happen to come across and i'm not

2602
01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:34,320
mentioning names or anything but i did

2603
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:35,360
meet someone

2604
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:38,719
who's whose father was study he was an

2605
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:41,040
investigator for project blue book

2606
01:46:48,310 --> 01:46:45,199
okay and he sat his girls down

2607
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:48,320
and he says ufos are real human alien

2608
01:46:54,070 --> 01:46:49,520
hybrids are real

2609
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:54,080
and all this business is real and and

2610
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:55,679
they told me that

2611
01:46:59,910 --> 01:46:58,400
but they clammed up after that they

2612
01:47:02,229 --> 01:46:59,920
didn't interview after that

2613
01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:02,239
you know so we have x and then we have z

2614
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:03,600
and then we have the girls

2615
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:05,840
and they don't they don't want to talk

2616
01:47:09,350 --> 01:47:07,840
and i and you can't blame anybody

2617
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:09,360
because

2618
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:12,639
there's a distrust

2619
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:15,360
you know i i talk in my my book about

2620
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:16,000
you know

2621
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:18,960
and i'm not plugging my book here but i

2622
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:19,440
i

2623
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:35,520
he talked and he says

2624
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:39,280
his fear was not senators congressman

2625
01:47:42,149 --> 01:47:40,080
president

2626
01:47:45,750 --> 01:47:42,159
he's it was part of the government and

2627
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:45,760
he was referring to the men in black

2628
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:47,840
and and you can say oh that doesn't

2629
01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:51,280
exist it does exist

2630
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:54,320
i'm sorry it just does i mean i think

2631
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:55,840
you told me about this that this was

2632
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:57,600
someone you know that said

2633
01:48:00,950 --> 01:48:00,320
that there that was right it was real

2634
01:48:06,629 --> 01:48:00,960
and

2635
01:48:09,669 --> 01:48:06,639
ufo history where they do

2636
01:48:13,030 --> 01:48:09,679
you know these the government

2637
01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:13,040
studied mind control they you know and

2638
01:48:17,830 --> 01:48:14,719
it started up in montreal i can't

2639
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:17,840
remember right and i can't remember

2640
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:18,320
every

2641
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:22,639
secret and was named and i

2642
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:25,040
actually forgot the names of the top

2643
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:26,400
secret ones

2644
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:29,440
you can find them out anyway but it was

2645
01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:31,360
all about the one thing that they wanted

2646
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:32,480
to know

2647
01:48:40,870 --> 01:48:37,760
was children with mental telepathy

2648
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:40,880
how does that happen where

2649
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:43,440
kids could have mental telepathy and

2650
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:44,239
almost

2651
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:47,840
all these people who've come

2652
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:51,600
forward and spoken to me privately

2653
01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:54,480
all talk about mental telepathy like i

2654
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:56,480
talked before about my friend

2655
01:49:04,229 --> 01:48:59,520
i mentioned katrina because

2656
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:04,239
they had that she had it in high school

2657
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:06,800
and we we we would be back and forth in

2658
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:08,960
conversations in the class

2659
01:49:13,669 --> 01:49:12,080
and i'm being like well that was bizarre

2660
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:13,679
and it was until we were adults and

2661
01:49:16,550 --> 01:49:15,119
unsolved mysteries came out that we

2662
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:16,560
talked about it

2663
01:49:22,390 --> 01:49:19,679
but this mental telepathy this ability

2664
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:22,400
that comes out and i know people are out

2665
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:24,080
there gonna go like oh yeah

2666
01:49:28,709 --> 01:49:26,239
show me show me it's always the show

2667
01:49:30,390 --> 01:49:28,719
show me but

2668
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:30,400
it's not something that happens all the

2669
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,560
time but it does happen because

2670
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:34,400
personally i don't want to be thinking

2671
01:49:39,990 --> 01:49:36,880
about it all the time

2672
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:40,000
it consumes your life you know you you

2673
01:49:44,790 --> 01:49:42,960
don't want to be thinking about ufos all

2674
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:44,800
the time i mean i

2675
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:47,040
have a normal life i'm an artist and

2676
01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:48,320
poet and

2677
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:50,960
you know after bonds makes his movies i

2678
01:50:02,229 --> 01:49:58,950
well thank you tom um

2679
01:50:04,149 --> 01:50:02,239
let's see uh so we

2680
01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:04,159
have uh we have about five more minutes

2681
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:05,280
or so uh

2682
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:07,760
before we go into chat and again we're

2683
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:09,199
gonna be taking calls

2684
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:12,719
um let's see i believe did i ask that

2685
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:14,400
question you wanted me to ask

2686
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:17,920
it was about okay so i believe it was

2687
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:19,760
do you have do you want to just say the

2688
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,679
question it's right there

2689
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:23,440
it's in my pocket so let's just say it

2690
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:25,440
uh i

2691
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:28,560
do you have a sense of presence

2692
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:31,199
yeah oh the sense of presence before an

2693
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:39,109
that's a sorry just gonna remember yeah

2694
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:42,470
if you're talking about sense as far as

2695
01:50:50,830 --> 01:50:46,639
like a ufo event or or these

2696
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:50,840
uh events i would see before they happen

2697
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,000
yeah well i i do and it

2698
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:56,400
it really it scares the hell out of me

2699
01:51:00,390 --> 01:50:57,599
really i mean

2700
01:51:01,990 --> 01:51:00,400
scares me too yeah you know and jane

2701
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:02,000
you've experienced it before

2702
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:05,679
i believed it when i died in 2009

2703
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:09,199
from an asthma attack right

2704
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:11,679
so wait you had like a near death

2705
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:12,719
experience

2706
01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:15,679
i actually died from an asthma attack i

2707
01:51:19,830 --> 01:51:16,480
remember

2708
01:51:21,270 --> 01:51:19,840
going to bmc i had chest pain couldn't

2709
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:21,280
breathe

2710
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:24,159
um then i ended i ended up signing

2711
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:24,639
myself

2712
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:27,760
out of bmc i went down to

2713
01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:31,280
20 minutes after i got home by ambulance

2714
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:35,119
to fairview hospital in great barrington

2715
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:36,880
i had a heart monitor on i had

2716
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:39,520
everything on um

2717
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:41,679
i took that off and i told them i

2718
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:43,040
couldn't breathe

2719
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:47,119
oh they didn't call it in confidence

2720
01:51:51,189 --> 01:51:48,960
i remember getting in the ambulance and

2721
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:51,199
i don't remember a damn thing from there

2722
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:54,320
until i woke up at bay state

2723
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:57,199
and i'm screaming at the top of my lungs

2724
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:58,080
where the hell

2725
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:01,360
am i i said i am not

2726
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:04,719
at fairview hospital and they come in

2727
01:52:07,270 --> 01:52:06,400
and ask me how long i've had asthma i

2728
01:52:09,589 --> 01:52:07,280
had it for five

2729
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:09,599
freaking years and i ended up dying

2730
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,440
because the doctor was treating me for

2731
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:13,440
something i didn't have

2732
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:15,840
and all i did was all the way down i

2733
01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:17,760
remember talking to god

2734
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:20,560
and i woke up and i told those doctors

2735
01:52:25,589 --> 01:52:21,280
uh-uh

2736
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:25,599
god was with me in the when i

2737
01:52:31,750 --> 01:52:28,800
don't remember and they

2738
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:31,760
and i was i was talking to god i was at

2739
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:33,840
the pearly gates he sent me back

2740
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:42,070
you talked about scared i didn't know

2741
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:44,080
had asthma they were treating me for

2742
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:46,320
chronic bronchitis but i did not have

2743
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:47,199
asthma

2744
01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:49,599
for five years and kept calling that

2745
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:51,280
doctor and saying

2746
01:52:56,830 --> 01:52:54,239
the meds aren't working i can't breathe

2747
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,840
my husband would call him in the whole

2748
01:53:01,990 --> 01:52:58,480
bed

2749
01:53:08,470 --> 01:53:02,000
interesting well and then he told me

2750
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:11,109
i shouldn't be telling him but it is i

2751
01:53:15,990 --> 01:53:11,520
see

2752
01:53:19,350 --> 01:53:16,000
are gonna die

2753
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:19,360
before they actually die if i tell them

2754
01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:22,000
and i did tell my grandmother that one

2755
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:22,719
day

2756
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:26,159
that her nephew wasn't gonna

2757
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:28,000
call her that day on her birthday

2758
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,669
and she said he always calls me on my

2759
01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:37,520
birthday well she got the newspaper and

2760
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:39,119
she says how did you know that before

2761
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:41,840
you came downstairs

2762
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:45,199
i saw that grandma up here i saw it up

2763
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:46,800
here

2764
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:49,199
she could never figure they sent me to

2765
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:51,520
therapy

2766
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:55,679
they tried to hypnotize me and

2767
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:58,560
i couldn't tell them what happened they

2768
01:54:03,430 --> 01:54:00,560
didn't get no information off me

2769
01:54:03,830 --> 01:54:03,440
but god told me that he was sending me

2770
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:03,840
back

2771
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:06,560
and i would see people to die in what

2772
01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:07,679
year they're going to die

2773
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:09,679
how old they were going to be and what

2774
01:54:13,109 --> 01:54:10,960
year they're going to die

2775
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:13,119
don't tell me i don't want to i'm not i

2776
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:20,149
because it scared me that um when i told

2777
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:21,119
graeme about

2778
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:24,000
eddie that morning she got the newspaper

2779
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:25,920
and he died and i told her exactly i

2780
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:27,760
said

2781
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:29,280
they were drunk last night they were

2782
01:54:33,250 --> 01:54:30,800
down on route 7

2783
01:54:34,629 --> 01:54:33,260
i sat in um

2784
01:54:36,709 --> 01:54:34,639
[Music]

2785
01:54:37,669 --> 01:54:36,719
they hit the guardrail eddie's head went

2786
01:54:39,910 --> 01:54:37,679
off

2787
01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:39,920
i said and then she got the paper with

2788
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:42,400
all the pictures in it and sure is not

2789
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:45,280
that's exactly what happened and she i

2790
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:46,560
she didn't know it

2791
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:48,080
until she got the paper in the morning

2792
01:54:53,189 --> 01:54:50,080
but i knew it the night before

2793
01:54:54,950 --> 01:54:53,199
james you're spooky all right

2794
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:54,960
well it's time for us to go and to break

2795
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:57,199
everyone so i'm going to play

2796
01:55:01,030 --> 01:54:59,040
this clip that we played earlier right

2797
01:55:03,990 --> 01:55:01,040
here um that'll show

2798
01:55:05,669 --> 01:55:04,000
uh the incident so uh when it happened

2799
01:55:07,669 --> 01:55:05,679
tom's gonna explain that

2800
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:07,679
so we'll be back in about two and a half

2801
01:55:11,669 --> 01:55:09,920
minutes if you're over at kgr

2802
01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:11,679
a radio hang on there we'll be right

2803
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:13,040
back we'll be right back tell me when

2804
01:55:16,390 --> 01:55:13,280
you

2805
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:16,400
wanted me to start recording uh

2806
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:20,000
and go you did a good job with it

2807
01:55:26,629 --> 01:55:23,679
martin anyway

2808
01:55:29,430 --> 01:55:26,639
we're gonna have to stop hold it jane

2809
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:34,310
tell me when to start again and action

2810
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:36,790
martin thanks for coming anyway so this

2811
01:55:40,709 --> 01:55:38,400
was the exact spot where

2812
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:40,719
where it actually happened and i had

2813
01:55:44,390 --> 01:55:42,560
been running from this house here

2814
01:55:45,830 --> 01:55:44,400
and i was running and pl i was actually

2815
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:45,840
running full speed and all of a sudden i

2816
01:55:48,310 --> 01:55:46,880
wasn't moving

2817
01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:48,320
and everything i just want to ask you

2818
01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:51,119
did you feel when you weren't moving

2819
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:55,280
yes what happened was it felt

2820
01:56:00,550 --> 01:55:58,320
all all the sounds disappeared

2821
01:56:02,149 --> 01:56:00,560
like like there was no sound then

2822
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:02,159
everything went in slow motion and my

2823
01:56:05,189 --> 01:56:03,520
body slowly

2824
01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:05,199
got the feeling like something was off

2825
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:07,360
to my left and when i did

2826
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:10,000
i turned like this and my hands jerked

2827
01:56:12,629 --> 01:56:10,400
back

2828
01:56:14,070 --> 01:56:12,639
and a beam came on me and when it did

2829
01:56:16,629 --> 01:56:14,080
the light was on me

2830
01:56:17,750 --> 01:56:16,639
and all of a sudden hands jerk back and

2831
01:56:20,310 --> 01:56:17,760
it's like

2832
01:56:22,709 --> 01:56:20,320
when you're under water and you suck for

2833
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:22,719
that first gulp of air

2834
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:25,599
and and then i was on the ufo like in a

2835
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:27,119
handstand

2836
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:30,239
did when you were is this basically

2837
01:56:33,830 --> 01:56:32,159
where it happened yeah it's lined up

2838
01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:33,840
right at this spot right here it's right

2839
01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:35,920
here very close within five feet

2840
01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:38,560
yeah so and then where did you land when

2841
01:56:42,950 --> 01:56:40,880
point over on the opposite side

2842
01:56:45,109 --> 01:56:42,960
back then back then there was there was

2843
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,119
no there was no barns over here

2844
01:56:48,149 --> 01:56:47,360
but when the mouth will ask her she saw

2845
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:48,159
you it was

2846
01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:50,400
back further because it was almost even

2847
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:51,280
with that tree

2848
01:56:54,390 --> 01:56:53,360
all right so back through the driveways

2849
01:56:55,910 --> 01:56:54,400
they got now

2850
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:55,920
it was back further because great

2851
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:58,159
morning oh so it's a little i just throw

2852
01:57:02,550 --> 01:56:59,040
his back back

2853
01:57:04,070 --> 01:57:02,560
back we're five feet you know anyway

2854
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:04,080
but when it put me down it put me down

2855
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:05,840
at the other end of the property yeah

2856
01:57:09,189 --> 01:57:08,400
and i was laying flat and i'm not gonna

2857
01:57:10,870 --> 01:57:09,199
lay flat

2858
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:10,880
yeah you're gonna get i'm not i'm not on

2859
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:13,520
the ground i'm not gonna do that

2860
01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:15,840
and and it was i was like a foot off the

2861
01:57:19,830 --> 01:57:17,119
ground

2862
01:57:21,350 --> 01:57:19,840
laying out flat and i landed and then

2863
01:57:23,270 --> 01:57:21,360
the beam was on me

2864
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:23,280
and my brother yelled for me run time

2865
01:57:27,270 --> 01:57:24,719
and run and then

2866
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:27,280
i couldn't move yeah and i said i can't

2867
01:57:31,750 --> 01:57:28,239
move

2868
01:57:33,189 --> 01:57:31,760
wow all right so i think we had about a

2869
01:57:37,990 --> 01:57:33,199
three minute break

2870
01:57:48,629 --> 01:57:38,000
three minutes

2871
01:57:55,830 --> 01:57:52,790
all right stand by we're coming back

2872
01:57:58,709 --> 01:57:55,840
coming back in three two one

2873
01:58:00,390 --> 01:57:58,719
go hey all right everyone welcome back

2874
01:58:03,669 --> 01:58:00,400
this is martin willis and i just gotta

2875
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:03,679
move some things around here

2876
01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:07,360
i am back and uh i see you mike

2877
01:58:13,270 --> 01:58:10,560
um hey mike so uh

2878
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:13,280
so mike go moving on uh we'll get the

2879
01:58:20,470 --> 01:58:16,239
rest of people here back in a minute

2880
01:58:22,390 --> 01:58:20,480
moving on um through your profession

2881
01:58:24,149 --> 01:58:22,400
you said i believe you said something

2882
01:58:25,750 --> 01:58:24,159
along the lines where you

2883
01:58:27,189 --> 01:58:25,760
you kind of it's kind of a saying i say

2884
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:27,199
at the end of every show keep your eyes

2885
01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:28,560
to the sky

2886
01:58:34,390 --> 01:58:32,080
um has that

2887
01:58:35,109 --> 01:58:34,400
like is that is that like your mantra

2888
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:35,119
like you

2889
01:58:39,910 --> 01:58:37,679
i mean for me every i can't go outside

2890
01:58:43,189 --> 01:58:39,920
anymore ever since i had my sighting

2891
01:58:45,350 --> 01:58:43,199
without looking up um most people are

2892
01:58:48,229 --> 01:58:45,360
looking at their cell phones today

2893
01:58:48,550 --> 01:58:48,239
but um or is that something that you've

2894
01:58:51,669 --> 01:58:48,560
uh

2895
01:58:54,709 --> 01:58:51,679
always done since that happened at 16.

2896
01:58:55,430 --> 01:58:54,719
yeah yeah absolutely for sure um you

2897
01:59:02,310 --> 01:58:55,440
know

2898
01:59:05,430 --> 01:59:02,320
wasn't anything

2899
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:05,440
it was exciting um interesting

2900
01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:08,719
and you know

2901
01:59:15,430 --> 01:59:12,800
i know what i saw on september 1st

2902
01:59:16,390 --> 01:59:15,440
i know what we saw um you know the

2903
01:59:20,149 --> 01:59:16,400
following

2904
01:59:20,870 --> 01:59:20,159
winter it was probably january or

2905
01:59:23,990 --> 01:59:20,880
february

2906
01:59:27,030 --> 01:59:24,000
it was cold out i know that um

2907
01:59:28,870 --> 01:59:27,040
it was winter time and

2908
01:59:30,229 --> 01:59:28,880
you know to see it again i just think

2909
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:30,239
would be very interesting

2910
01:59:35,750 --> 01:59:34,320
so uh and i'm i'm curious anyways i'm

2911
01:59:38,950 --> 01:59:35,760
always

2912
01:59:39,510 --> 01:59:38,960
um looking around and i'm checking my

2913
01:59:43,430 --> 01:59:39,520
six

2914
01:59:46,229 --> 01:59:43,440
anyway so um it's just what i do

2915
01:59:47,430 --> 01:59:46,239
you know i try to be very observant and

2916
01:59:50,790 --> 01:59:47,440
and we live in a

2917
01:59:54,629 --> 01:59:50,800
um 360 degree

2918
01:59:57,830 --> 01:59:54,639
world um a spear that is

2919
01:59:59,189 --> 01:59:57,840
you know it's not only on level ground

2920
02:00:02,310 --> 01:59:59,199
but it's also

2921
02:00:08,950 --> 02:00:05,589
that's right yeah no no i find it i

2922
02:00:11,910 --> 02:00:08,960
i find it um interesting that um

2923
02:00:13,990 --> 02:00:11,920
you know when someone has this type of

2924
02:00:17,430 --> 02:00:14,000
experience that can't be explained

2925
02:00:19,830 --> 02:00:17,440
um you know everyone reacts differently

2926
02:00:21,830 --> 02:00:19,840
um i have a friend that he's on the

2927
02:00:24,070 --> 02:00:21,840
antiques road show and he said

2928
02:00:25,830 --> 02:00:24,080
he had the most amazing sighting one of

2929
02:00:26,470 --> 02:00:25,840
the most amazing sightings i've seen he

2930
02:00:29,030 --> 02:00:26,480
there was no

2931
02:00:30,870 --> 02:00:29,040
like abduction or anything like that but

2932
02:00:33,189 --> 02:00:30,880
he said he could care less

2933
02:00:34,870 --> 02:00:33,199
and it kind of baffles me because i

2934
02:00:35,189 --> 02:00:34,880
don't know how anyone could go through

2935
02:00:38,149 --> 02:00:35,199
what

2936
02:00:40,709 --> 02:00:38,159
any of you people have gone through and

2937
02:00:44,709 --> 02:00:40,719
it not profoundly change you

2938
02:00:47,830 --> 02:00:44,719
you know i mean i i just can't and then

2939
02:00:50,550 --> 02:00:47,840
also at the same time to have to

2940
02:00:53,030 --> 02:00:50,560
um hear you know skeptics say there's

2941
02:00:55,910 --> 02:00:53,040
absolutely nothing to this that must be

2942
02:00:57,910 --> 02:00:55,920
a very hard thing to deal with before we

2943
02:00:59,030 --> 02:00:57,920
um anyone wants to talk about anything

2944
02:01:01,189 --> 02:00:59,040
that i just said

2945
02:01:05,390 --> 02:01:01,199
want to let everyone know the number is

2946
02:01:09,430 --> 02:01:07,910
855-472-5483 we're taking calls

2947
02:01:12,709 --> 02:01:09,440
throughout this next hour so if you have

2948
02:01:15,589 --> 02:01:12,719
a question please do call in

2949
02:01:17,350 --> 02:01:15,599
so any thoughts on what i just rambled

2950
02:01:21,589 --> 02:01:17,360
about were you paying attention

2951
02:01:24,790 --> 02:01:21,599
what's that no yeah yeah

2952
02:01:27,589 --> 02:01:24,800
you know i i've

2953
02:01:30,229 --> 02:01:27,599
given this a lot of thought really bad

2954
02:01:32,229 --> 02:01:30,239
you know i really have because

2955
02:01:33,510 --> 02:01:32,239
since unsolved mysteries came out you

2956
02:01:36,790 --> 02:01:33,520
know it

2957
02:01:38,149 --> 02:01:36,800
it went to number one in the world in

2958
02:01:41,750 --> 02:01:38,159
less than 12 hours

2959
02:01:44,229 --> 02:01:41,760
so you knew a lot of people watched it

2960
02:01:45,109 --> 02:01:44,239
and a lot of people understood it right

2961
02:01:47,910 --> 02:01:45,119
and so

2962
02:01:48,470 --> 02:01:47,920
probably you're out there but never came

2963
02:01:54,070 --> 02:01:48,480
right

2964
02:01:58,070 --> 02:01:56,149
so many people seeing it and and you

2965
02:02:01,350 --> 02:01:58,080
know i was i was told that you know that

2966
02:02:04,229 --> 02:02:01,360
i'll be a focal point on the whole thing

2967
02:02:06,149 --> 02:02:04,239
and i didn't mind it and and everyone

2968
02:02:07,910 --> 02:02:06,159
comes out and some people don't

2969
02:02:10,470 --> 02:02:07,920
you can tell they're like yeah yeah

2970
02:02:14,229 --> 02:02:10,480
right right buddy but a lot of people

2971
02:02:17,430 --> 02:02:14,239
i don't get a lot of that i get more

2972
02:02:20,629 --> 02:02:17,440
nods of you know understanding it

2973
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:20,639
and and then i i've just been just

2974
02:02:24,070 --> 02:02:21,280
thinking

2975
02:02:24,950 --> 02:02:24,080
what does all this mean i mean you sit

2976
02:02:29,030 --> 02:02:24,960
and you say

2977
02:02:31,030 --> 02:02:29,040
well why tommy warner

2978
02:02:32,870 --> 02:02:31,040
i mean think about it and for the

2979
02:02:33,350 --> 02:02:32,880
longest time you and i have talked about

2980
02:02:37,589 --> 02:02:33,360
this

2981
02:02:40,310 --> 02:02:37,599
the tom reed story i had no idea

2982
02:02:40,950 --> 02:02:40,320
well that anyone else had anything to do

2983
02:02:44,070 --> 02:02:40,960
i had

2984
02:02:47,189 --> 02:02:44,080
no intention of ever telling this story

2985
02:02:50,310 --> 02:02:47,199
ever i know what tori you're gonna tell

2986
02:02:51,430 --> 02:02:50,320
and and it came out slow it it really

2987
02:02:54,310 --> 02:02:51,440
came out slow

2988
02:02:54,870 --> 02:02:54,320
you know first there was you know tom

2989
02:02:58,229 --> 02:02:54,880
was

2990
02:03:01,990 --> 02:02:58,239
doing this and and how i met tom

2991
02:03:06,070 --> 02:03:02,000
was through a friend and she actually

2992
02:03:10,390 --> 02:03:06,080
invited me to go to her property

2993
02:03:13,350 --> 02:03:10,400
because i had done a painting which was

2994
02:03:14,470 --> 02:03:13,360
of of psychic nature and she wanted me

2995
02:03:16,149 --> 02:03:14,480
to go and then

2996
02:03:17,669 --> 02:03:16,159
and and i said well i don't know maybe

2997
02:03:19,270 --> 02:03:17,679
it's because i had a close encounter

2998
02:03:22,470 --> 02:03:19,280
with the ufo

2999
02:03:25,030 --> 02:03:22,480
and and she goes well when was it i said

3000
02:03:27,510 --> 02:03:25,040
september 1969 she goes do you know when

3001
02:03:27,990 --> 02:03:27,520
i said yes september 1st 1969 and she

3002
02:03:30,070 --> 02:03:28,000
goes

3003
02:03:31,350 --> 02:03:30,080
my friend tom reed had one at the same

3004
02:03:34,950 --> 02:03:31,360
time well you know

3005
02:03:36,629 --> 02:03:34,960
we went to school i i went to school

3006
02:03:38,470 --> 02:03:36,639
with time at monument mountain his

3007
02:03:41,030 --> 02:03:38,480
brother went up there as well

3008
02:03:43,030 --> 02:03:41,040
you know the yes they left sheffield

3009
02:03:44,229 --> 02:03:43,040
they felt disgraced and they left

3010
02:03:46,149 --> 02:03:44,239
sheffield but they moved to great

3011
02:03:47,990 --> 02:03:46,159
barrington which was six miles but

3012
02:03:49,270 --> 02:03:48,000
i never hung out with tom ray i didn't

3013
02:03:52,550 --> 02:03:49,280
know his story

3014
02:03:55,669 --> 02:03:52,560
but as time went on

3015
02:03:59,510 --> 02:03:55,679
there were stories that were being told

3016
02:04:03,990 --> 02:03:59,520
among campfires you might say and

3017
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:04,000
and this whole 1969 thing came up

3018
02:04:09,350 --> 02:04:07,040
you know and and so

3019
02:04:10,629 --> 02:04:09,360
he wasn't the only one it was being told

3020
02:04:11,270 --> 02:04:10,639
as that but that's all right but you

3021
02:04:14,069 --> 02:04:11,280
know tom

3022
02:04:14,550 --> 02:04:14,079
great that he came forward and told his

3023
02:04:17,750 --> 02:04:14,560
story

3024
02:04:19,990 --> 02:04:17,760
really was i'm very happy he did yeah

3025
02:04:20,870 --> 02:04:20,000
um yeah like i've heard you know i've

3026
02:04:23,750 --> 02:04:20,880
heard tom's

3027
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:23,760
uh story way back right and um you know

3028
02:04:28,310 --> 02:04:25,360
i even had him on my show

3029
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:28,320
you know years ago thinking that that he

3030
02:04:32,709 --> 02:04:29,280
was the only

3031
02:04:37,990 --> 02:04:32,719
that's

3032
02:04:39,910 --> 02:04:38,000
until i watched unsolved mysteries

3033
02:04:41,109 --> 02:04:39,920
myself and how did you feel when you saw

3034
02:04:42,709 --> 02:04:41,119
unsolved mysteries what was your

3035
02:04:43,589 --> 02:04:42,719
reaction i'll tell you this is my

3036
02:04:46,950 --> 02:04:43,599
reaction

3037
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:46,960
i have i rarely ever

3038
02:04:50,950 --> 02:04:49,360
watch something more than once and i

3039
02:04:53,830 --> 02:04:50,960
watched that episode

3040
02:04:54,470 --> 02:04:53,840
three times and then i got a hold of you

3041
02:04:56,950 --> 02:04:54,480
right

3042
02:04:58,390 --> 02:04:56,960
and then um but speaking of that and um

3043
02:04:59,990 --> 02:04:58,400
we do have a caller on the line i'm

3044
02:05:01,270 --> 02:05:00,000
going to get to him in just a minute

3045
02:05:03,750 --> 02:05:01,280
mike i just want to ask you this

3046
02:05:05,270 --> 02:05:03,760
question because it occurred to me

3047
02:05:07,430 --> 02:05:05,280
what would have happened what would you

3048
02:05:10,550 --> 02:05:07,440
have done if you were never able to

3049
02:05:12,709 --> 02:05:10,560
find tom warner's phone number were you

3050
02:05:15,589 --> 02:05:12,719
planning on trying to reach any one of

3051
02:05:19,750 --> 02:05:15,599
these people up in this area

3052
02:05:21,430 --> 02:05:19,760
um yeah failure was not an option uh i

3053
02:05:22,470 --> 02:05:21,440
was going to get to the bottom of it and

3054
02:05:29,189 --> 02:05:22,480
my

3055
02:05:32,470 --> 02:05:29,199
affirm um of what he had

3056
02:05:35,910 --> 02:05:32,480
had seen um that

3057
02:05:36,390 --> 02:05:35,920
i had seen the same thing and i knew

3058
02:05:41,910 --> 02:05:36,400
that

3059
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:41,920
in my mind it was credible because of

3060
02:05:47,510 --> 02:05:44,480
that the picture that he drew

3061
02:05:52,310 --> 02:05:47,520
was exactly what i saw

3062
02:05:55,109 --> 02:05:52,320
so um i just wanted to lend him

3063
02:05:55,510 --> 02:05:55,119
my support and tell him hey i believe

3064
02:05:58,709 --> 02:05:55,520
you

3065
02:06:01,189 --> 02:05:58,719
um and this is the reason why so

3066
02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:01,199
uh and it it morphed from there you know

3067
02:06:06,149 --> 02:06:03,199
it's just developed into

3068
02:06:08,229 --> 02:06:06,159
a long-distance friendship and we stay

3069
02:06:12,069 --> 02:06:08,239
in contact with one another

3070
02:06:14,709 --> 02:06:12,079
um yeah excellent well that's excellent

3071
02:06:15,270 --> 02:06:14,719
so we have uh we have a caller we have

3072
02:06:17,430 --> 02:06:15,280
uh

3073
02:06:21,510 --> 02:06:17,440
john from long island welcome to the

3074
02:06:27,350 --> 02:06:25,430
how are you hi

3075
02:06:29,030 --> 02:06:27,360
good thanks for the call and by the way

3076
02:06:29,669 --> 02:06:29,040
the lines are open the numbers up on the

3077
02:06:31,589 --> 02:06:29,679
screen

3078
02:06:33,270 --> 02:06:31,599
do you have a question for anyone in

3079
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:33,280
particular

3080
02:06:39,910 --> 02:06:36,800
well yeah i like to uh ask

3081
02:06:41,669 --> 02:06:39,920
uh mike i

3082
02:06:42,950 --> 02:06:41,679
i'm on long island i grew up on the

3083
02:06:47,430 --> 02:06:42,960
north shore

3084
02:06:50,390 --> 02:06:47,440
and he's talking about uh nessa quad

3085
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:50,400
very polluted area up there very nice

3086
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:52,800
let me ask him if he remembers

3087
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:55,440
was there a beach up there we used to go

3088
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:56,000
to called

3089
02:07:01,510 --> 02:06:58,880
short beach does he remember that yeah

3090
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:01,520
absolutely

3091
02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:05,280
um

3092
02:07:11,189 --> 02:07:08,320
end of the uh shore

3093
02:07:12,069 --> 02:07:11,199
um in smithtown bay there was short

3094
02:07:13,669 --> 02:07:12,079
beach

3095
02:07:16,149 --> 02:07:13,679
uh and then there was a bunch of private

3096
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:16,159
beach uh and as you headed east

3097
02:07:22,229 --> 02:07:19,599
it you came to long beach uh and then

3098
02:07:23,669 --> 02:07:22,239
beyond that right further to the east

3099
02:07:27,109 --> 02:07:23,679
was

3100
02:07:30,229 --> 02:07:27,119
africa

3101
02:07:30,950 --> 02:07:30,239
beach and that's where the marina was uh

3102
02:07:34,310 --> 02:07:30,960
and it's now

3103
02:07:37,350 --> 02:07:34,320
called uh schubert beach i believe

3104
02:07:40,629 --> 02:07:37,360
oh okay um well remember the

3105
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:40,639
stone then in the in the water right

3106
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:43,199
yeah sure yeah almost hit a couple of

3107
02:07:49,109 --> 02:07:45,840
times in my dad's boat

3108
02:07:51,910 --> 02:07:49,119
yeah because if i drive it you come up

3109
02:07:52,629 --> 02:07:51,920
then you can walk through it but when

3110
02:07:55,669 --> 02:07:52,639
you saw

3111
02:07:57,750 --> 02:07:55,679
your ufo i assume there wouldn't be

3112
02:07:58,950 --> 02:07:57,760
any people in your area that would see

3113
02:08:01,669 --> 02:07:58,960
it because

3114
02:08:02,390 --> 02:08:01,679
i'm not too sure what time did you say

3115
02:08:05,510 --> 02:08:02,400
it was

3116
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:05,520
that you saw it the uh from start to

3117
02:08:10,470 --> 02:08:07,440
finish was probably

3118
02:08:11,510 --> 02:08:10,480
no more than five minutes um and it came

3119
02:08:14,790 --> 02:08:11,520
from

3120
02:08:17,990 --> 02:08:14,800
just had one

3121
02:08:20,870 --> 02:08:18,000
sort of from uh st james

3122
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:20,880
through head of the harbor uh and then

3123
02:08:24,470 --> 02:08:22,960
over the point are you familiar with the

3124
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:24,480
point that i lived on

3125
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:28,880
at the end of east long beach road

3126
02:08:34,709 --> 02:08:30,719
long beach vote i remember yeah we used

3127
02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:37,990
yeah there's a peninsula um yeah

3128
02:08:42,149 --> 02:08:40,800
and then there's a a channel on the

3129
02:08:46,790 --> 02:08:42,159
other side of the channel

3130
02:08:50,550 --> 02:08:49,669
we lived on that on that peninsula of

3131
02:08:54,149 --> 02:08:50,560
land

3132
02:08:55,350 --> 02:08:54,159
um on smithtown there wouldn't be too

3133
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:55,360
many witnesses there

3134
02:08:59,270 --> 02:08:57,119
you'd be one of the few because i

3135
02:09:02,550 --> 02:08:59,280
remember there were very few houses

3136
02:09:04,870 --> 02:09:02,560
in that area especially especially at

3137
02:09:07,910 --> 02:09:04,880
that point in time um

3138
02:09:11,350 --> 02:09:09,910
i was curious what time you actually saw

3139
02:09:13,669 --> 02:09:11,360
the ufo

3140
02:09:14,709 --> 02:09:13,679
uh it was after we closed the marina so

3141
02:09:18,149 --> 02:09:14,719
i want to say that

3142
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:18,159
it was probably 6 30

3143
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:21,040
7 o'clock somewhere in there um it was

3144
02:09:25,270 --> 02:09:21,520
still

3145
02:09:28,629 --> 02:09:25,280
right it was a little bit

3146
02:09:32,950 --> 02:09:28,639
um hazy that day

3147
02:09:37,030 --> 02:09:32,960
and um it was hot too

3148
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:37,040
i remember i was very hot abnormally hot

3149
02:09:40,229 --> 02:09:39,840
and where we lived down there there was

3150
02:09:54,149 --> 02:09:40,239
a

3151
02:09:55,990 --> 02:09:54,159
there

3152
02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:56,000
and they hadn't they hadn't left but a

3153
02:10:00,149 --> 02:09:57,280
lot of them had left

3154
02:10:01,189 --> 02:10:00,159
and other than us down there at that

3155
02:10:05,270 --> 02:10:01,199
point in time

3156
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:05,280
um my uncle

3157
02:10:14,310 --> 02:10:09,520
lived there um our house

3158
02:10:16,870 --> 02:10:14,320
um i'm not sure i don't think my uh my

3159
02:10:20,870 --> 02:10:16,880
sister had built her house next to

3160
02:10:22,390 --> 02:10:20,880
argent but uh yeah there wasn't a lot of

3161
02:10:23,109 --> 02:10:22,400
people down there and there was not a

3162
02:10:25,669 --> 02:10:23,119
lot of people

3163
02:10:27,589 --> 02:10:25,679
out on the water either because when we

3164
02:10:28,069 --> 02:10:27,599
we got to the bluff there was virtually

3165
02:10:33,430 --> 02:10:28,079
no

3166
02:10:37,350 --> 02:10:33,440
um boats in sight out on smithtown bay

3167
02:10:40,229 --> 02:10:37,360
yeah yeah i used to go up there too

3168
02:10:42,149 --> 02:10:40,239
my next question is for everybody it has

3169
02:10:45,270 --> 02:10:42,159
to do with

3170
02:10:48,550 --> 02:10:45,280
the realization that you can actually

3171
02:10:50,950 --> 02:10:48,560
say anybody you speak to

3172
02:10:53,430 --> 02:10:50,960
who's listening to you and believe you

3173
02:10:56,470 --> 02:10:53,440
could you say to them

3174
02:10:59,030 --> 02:10:56,480
i know for a fact

3175
02:11:00,069 --> 02:10:59,040
that there's something going on that is

3176
02:11:04,229 --> 02:11:00,079
unusual and

3177
02:11:09,030 --> 02:11:06,709
well definitely there's something going

3178
02:11:12,470 --> 02:11:09,040
on unusual

3179
02:11:16,069 --> 02:11:14,870
i i think that that everyone here it

3180
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:16,079
seems uh

3181
02:11:19,669 --> 02:11:19,040
in in this room as well i think you

3182
02:11:22,470 --> 02:11:19,679
pretty much

3183
02:11:24,629 --> 02:11:22,480
say that there's uh we all i think we

3184
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:24,639
all have the same feeling and uh

3185
02:11:28,470 --> 02:11:26,159
i really thank you very much for the

3186
02:11:31,189 --> 02:11:28,480
call john um

3187
02:11:31,750 --> 02:11:31,199
and uh we're gonna bring in bill bill

3188
02:11:34,790 --> 02:11:31,760
had

3189
02:11:36,229 --> 02:11:34,800
actually has a question or you wanted to

3190
02:11:38,629 --> 02:11:36,239
say something right bill

3191
02:11:40,709 --> 02:11:38,639
yeah actually i want to say great show

3192
02:11:41,430 --> 02:11:40,719
with all the participants going on right

3193
02:11:44,470 --> 02:11:41,440
now

3194
02:11:47,669 --> 02:11:44,480
um and a special hello to tom warner

3195
02:11:50,470 --> 02:11:47,679
but i just want to talk to mike a bit

3196
02:11:52,550 --> 02:11:50,480
um i grew up going to mount talk every

3197
02:11:56,470 --> 02:11:52,560
year since i was practically born

3198
02:11:59,510 --> 02:11:56,480
sure in 1999 or could have been 2000

3199
02:12:02,709 --> 02:11:59,520
i was on the beach um in town

3200
02:12:04,870 --> 02:12:02,719
on the ocean and i was fishing and i

3201
02:12:05,990 --> 02:12:04,880
seen something absolutely incredible

3202
02:12:07,910 --> 02:12:06,000
over the ocean

3203
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:07,920
different colored lights it was a clear

3204
02:12:14,069 --> 02:12:10,960
night there's not no aurora borealis

3205
02:12:15,589 --> 02:12:14,079
it was absolutely stunning i was with my

3206
02:12:17,189 --> 02:12:15,599
mom and a few other people mom actually

3207
02:12:19,109 --> 02:12:17,199
ran to the hotel room because she was

3208
02:12:20,470 --> 02:12:19,119
scared

3209
02:12:22,229 --> 02:12:20,480
i had another individual who lived in a

3210
02:12:23,589 --> 02:12:22,239
house pastor dunes and he said

3211
02:12:24,950 --> 02:12:23,599
did you see that i mean i've been living

3212
02:12:26,069 --> 02:12:24,960
here 20 years i've never seen anything

3213
02:12:28,870 --> 02:12:26,079
like that in my life

3214
02:12:29,669 --> 02:12:28,880
but my question to you is long island

3215
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:29,679
does have

3216
02:12:33,990 --> 02:12:33,199
a lot of sightings were you familiar or

3217
02:12:36,390 --> 02:12:34,000
did you hear

3218
02:12:37,510 --> 02:12:36,400
any of the stories that may have

3219
02:12:41,189 --> 02:12:37,520
emanated from

3220
02:12:41,830 --> 02:12:41,199
mount talk um camp hero the mount talk

3221
02:12:43,350 --> 02:12:41,840
project

3222
02:12:44,870 --> 02:12:43,360
all that stuff that was going on up

3223
02:12:49,350 --> 02:12:44,880
there

3224
02:12:52,950 --> 02:12:49,360
um no um i left the island

3225
02:12:55,830 --> 02:12:52,960
um and i moved to vermont in 71

3226
02:12:56,470 --> 02:12:55,840
i went to college there and i i pretty

3227
02:13:00,189 --> 02:12:56,480
much

3228
02:13:03,669 --> 02:13:00,199
stayed there for um up until

3229
02:13:06,790 --> 02:13:03,679
2010 when we moved to south carolina so

3230
02:13:10,870 --> 02:13:06,800
i kind of lost touch of that i did spend

3231
02:13:14,310 --> 02:13:10,880
some time out at montauk um

3232
02:13:16,069 --> 02:13:14,320
my brother-in-law had a um a sport

3233
02:13:18,709 --> 02:13:16,079
fishing boat out there

3234
02:13:19,350 --> 02:13:18,719
and i'd come down on vacation and we'd

3235
02:13:22,229 --> 02:13:19,360
go

3236
02:13:23,189 --> 02:13:22,239
out on his boat out to the canyon

3237
02:13:26,390 --> 02:13:23,199
actually

3238
02:13:29,510 --> 02:13:26,400
and run about 125 offshore to uh

3239
02:13:37,109 --> 02:13:32,950
i never saw anything out there at night

3240
02:13:38,470 --> 02:13:37,119
um but there was a storm that we ran

3241
02:13:42,950 --> 02:13:38,480
into one day that was

3242
02:13:46,229 --> 02:13:42,960
uh it was pretty uh intense when we were

3243
02:13:48,950 --> 02:13:46,239
well offshore and

3244
02:13:49,910 --> 02:13:48,960
it was a microstorm but the other colors

3245
02:13:53,270 --> 02:13:49,920
that

3246
02:13:56,709 --> 02:13:55,109
it wasn't anything like i'd ever seen

3247
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:56,719
before since

3248
02:14:01,189 --> 02:13:59,040
and that would happen probably about one

3249
02:14:04,229 --> 02:14:01,199
o'clock in the afternoon

3250
02:14:07,830 --> 02:14:04,239
um but

3251
02:14:09,350 --> 02:14:07,840
leading up to this show i did a little

3252
02:14:13,030 --> 02:14:09,360
bit of research and

3253
02:14:16,310 --> 02:14:13,040
scouting on the internet to see whatever

3254
02:14:19,510 --> 02:14:16,320
uh and what other sightings there

3255
02:14:21,669 --> 02:14:19,520
had been on the island and there was a

3256
02:14:24,310 --> 02:14:21,679
tremendous amount there has been

3257
02:14:24,950 --> 02:14:24,320
a abnormal amount as far as i'm

3258
02:14:27,750 --> 02:14:24,960
concerned

3259
02:14:28,790 --> 02:14:27,760
and i think i think that new york and

3260
02:14:31,830 --> 02:14:28,800
long island is

3261
02:14:32,310 --> 02:14:31,840
probably in the top five or six in the

3262
02:14:36,069 --> 02:14:32,320
country

3263
02:14:39,510 --> 02:14:38,149
i would suggest you going to chris

3264
02:14:42,550 --> 02:14:39,520
garatano's

3265
02:14:43,750 --> 02:14:42,560
youtube site um he did the montauk

3266
02:14:47,430 --> 02:14:43,760
chronicles

3267
02:14:50,229 --> 02:14:47,440
and he has an outtake of a fisherman

3268
02:14:51,669 --> 02:14:50,239
that seen lights over the ocean when he

3269
02:14:54,550 --> 02:14:51,679
was out there

3270
02:14:56,069 --> 02:14:54,560
out off mount talk point and he's

3271
02:14:58,310 --> 02:14:56,079
describing the same thing i was

3272
02:14:59,990 --> 02:14:58,320
describing seeing off the beach at the

3273
02:15:01,830 --> 02:15:00,000
same time

3274
02:15:03,990 --> 02:15:01,840
it does seem like there is a lot of

3275
02:15:05,589 --> 02:15:04,000
activity i don't know if this is tied to

3276
02:15:08,149 --> 02:15:05,599
the past uh military

3277
02:15:09,750 --> 02:15:08,159
activity that happened camp hero plus

3278
02:15:10,310 --> 02:15:09,760
they were there's a couple of facilities

3279
02:15:12,069 --> 02:15:10,320
that were

3280
02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:12,079
supposedly connected to what they were

3281
02:15:16,950 --> 02:15:14,800
doing in mount talk point at camp hero

3282
02:15:19,109 --> 02:15:16,960
um but that's all speculation you know

3283
02:15:21,430 --> 02:15:19,119
there's no actual evidence that that

3284
02:15:24,069 --> 02:15:21,440
actually was going on but now i want to

3285
02:15:26,950 --> 02:15:24,079
ask tom warner my final question

3286
02:15:28,390 --> 02:15:26,960
and to everybody that's in that room how

3287
02:15:30,950 --> 02:15:28,400
has the community

3288
02:15:32,149 --> 02:15:30,960
embraced all the attention that it has

3289
02:15:35,350 --> 02:15:32,159
garnered

3290
02:15:36,629 --> 02:15:35,360
since the unsolved mysteries episode

3291
02:15:37,830 --> 02:15:36,639
because i know what it's like in

3292
02:15:39,910 --> 02:15:37,840
sheffield

3293
02:15:41,430 --> 02:15:39,920
um how was it in great barrington how's

3294
02:15:43,750 --> 02:15:41,440
that whole community dealing with this

3295
02:15:45,910 --> 02:15:43,760
attention now

3296
02:15:47,030 --> 02:15:45,920
oh you're asking that that's really

3297
02:15:50,069 --> 02:15:47,040
interesting you know

3298
02:15:52,470 --> 02:15:50,079
i i you know one of the local uh

3299
02:15:53,669 --> 02:15:52,480
distilleries came up there i'm seeing it

3300
02:15:56,069 --> 02:15:53,679
in advertising

3301
02:15:57,350 --> 02:15:56,079
actually so i think that some of the

3302
02:15:58,870 --> 02:15:57,360
businesses

3303
02:16:00,950 --> 02:15:58,880
have been trying to oh they're

3304
02:16:03,270 --> 02:16:00,960
capitalizing a little capital

3305
02:16:04,470 --> 02:16:03,280
capitalizing and that's okay berkshire

3306
02:16:06,310 --> 02:16:04,480
beer well no

3307
02:16:07,589 --> 02:16:06,320
it's actually it's actually a whiskey

3308
02:16:10,229 --> 02:16:07,599
actually and

3309
02:16:10,950 --> 02:16:10,239
then there was um and i'm seeing it in

3310
02:16:14,470 --> 02:16:10,960
ads

3311
02:16:16,830 --> 02:16:14,480
you know so before and now yeah

3312
02:16:18,069 --> 02:16:16,840
and they've even ads yeah they don't

3313
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:18,079
necessarily

3314
02:16:22,709 --> 02:16:21,040
you know oh we're not promoting it or

3315
02:16:24,149 --> 02:16:22,719
anything but then it will show up in ads

3316
02:16:27,189 --> 02:16:24,159
and everything

3317
02:16:29,510 --> 02:16:27,199
you know it's okay you know i mean i get

3318
02:16:33,030 --> 02:16:29,520
grief because i wrote a book you know

3319
02:16:34,709 --> 02:16:33,040
the heck you i i did it to help others

3320
02:16:35,669 --> 02:16:34,719
but you know they did it to promote

3321
02:16:38,150 --> 02:16:35,679
their product i mean

3322
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:38,160
i mean it has gained attention i mean

3323
02:16:41,750 --> 02:16:39,679
there's no doubt i mean when

3324
02:16:43,349 --> 02:16:41,760
40 million people see the town of great

3325
02:16:45,669 --> 02:16:43,359
barrington

3326
02:16:46,790 --> 02:16:45,679
you know it does draw interest and and

3327
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:46,800
people want to know

3328
02:16:50,389 --> 02:16:48,719
you know i have people go by my house

3329
02:16:51,509 --> 02:16:50,399
constantly and they'll slow and they'll

3330
02:16:54,709 --> 02:16:51,519
point and

3331
02:16:56,309 --> 02:16:54,719
and they'll wave and you know that's how

3332
02:16:59,270 --> 02:16:56,319
someone wait earlier

3333
02:17:03,190 --> 02:16:59,280
so one final question mark because i got

3334
02:17:07,349 --> 02:17:06,709
how do all of you deal with september

3335
02:17:09,990 --> 02:17:07,359
1st

3336
02:17:11,429 --> 02:17:10,000
every year what do you do anything

3337
02:17:11,910 --> 02:17:11,439
special you were on my show september

3338
02:17:15,589 --> 02:17:11,920
1st

3339
02:17:17,429 --> 02:17:15,599
that's how i dealt with i went and

3340
02:17:18,389 --> 02:17:17,439
talked to my therapist martin willis

3341
02:17:21,509 --> 02:17:18,399
here

3342
02:17:23,669 --> 02:17:21,519
that's right yeah no well

3343
02:17:25,270 --> 02:17:23,679
i don't know about the others but you

3344
02:17:30,230 --> 02:17:25,280
know

3345
02:17:33,110 --> 02:17:30,240
all the time i mean

3346
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:33,120
we had a party on the 50th anniversary

3347
02:17:37,110 --> 02:17:33,840
bill ca

3348
02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:37,120
you can hear me and and we had a party

3349
02:17:46,230 --> 02:17:38,000
and we had

3350
02:17:46,950 --> 02:17:46,240
and some of our neighbors i invited them

3351
02:17:51,750 --> 02:17:46,960
and

3352
02:17:53,509 --> 02:17:51,760
looked really great

3353
02:17:55,669 --> 02:17:53,519
i said well why didn't you come he says

3354
02:17:59,509 --> 02:17:55,679
you know with all you people

3355
02:18:01,509 --> 02:17:59,519
that were there on september 1st 1969

3356
02:18:03,669 --> 02:18:01,519
he says if the ufos were going to come

3357
02:18:07,270 --> 02:18:03,679
back that was the night and we wanted to

3358
02:18:09,589 --> 02:18:07,280
watch it from across the street

3359
02:18:10,790 --> 02:18:09,599
and i said are you serious he goes oh

3360
02:18:12,309 --> 02:18:10,800
yeah the ufo

3361
02:18:13,830 --> 02:18:12,319
we're going to watch you all get beamed

3362
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:13,840
up and go and we are going to write a

3363
02:18:17,429 --> 02:18:15,679
book about it he said

3364
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:17,439
you know what's funny it's like of

3365
02:18:20,389 --> 02:18:18,880
course they're not going to follow our

3366
02:18:24,709 --> 02:18:20,399
calendar

3367
02:18:28,150 --> 02:18:24,719
but still um there are some sightings

3368
02:18:29,669 --> 02:18:28,160
that actually did happen that i've heard

3369
02:18:31,509 --> 02:18:29,679
about i don't know if any of you in this

3370
02:18:33,910 --> 02:18:31,519
room know what i'm talking about

3371
02:18:35,110 --> 02:18:33,920
that on an anniversary it happened again

3372
02:18:36,469 --> 02:18:35,120
which was

3373
02:18:37,990 --> 02:18:36,479
one of them was a like a week

3374
02:18:38,549 --> 02:18:38,000
anniversary or something right but i

3375
02:18:39,910 --> 02:18:38,559
mean

3376
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:39,920
yeah so you never know maybe they are

3377
02:18:43,429 --> 02:18:41,519
watching the calendar well once you come

3378
02:18:45,030 --> 02:18:43,439
back for september 1st and uh

3379
02:18:47,030 --> 02:18:45,040
bill if we're beamed out of here you

3380
02:18:50,870 --> 02:18:47,040
might as well come out of here with us

3381
02:18:54,309 --> 02:18:50,880
yeah all right thank you

3382
02:18:56,790 --> 02:18:54,319
first since that day really have you

3383
02:18:59,830 --> 02:18:56,800
have you really i've never celebrated

3384
02:19:01,910 --> 02:18:59,840
september 1st yeah i refuse to celebrate

3385
02:19:03,349 --> 02:19:01,920
september 1st well you came that one day

3386
02:19:06,469 --> 02:19:03,359
that was good

3387
02:19:07,990 --> 02:19:06,479
that day i did because of you um

3388
02:19:10,469 --> 02:19:08,000
but other than that that was the only

3389
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:10,479
time i ever celebrated september 1st

3390
02:19:13,270 --> 02:19:10,880
right

3391
02:19:15,669 --> 02:19:13,280
well because about you know nobody

3392
02:19:18,549 --> 02:19:15,679
talking about it

3393
02:19:19,669 --> 02:19:18,559
and everybody hush hush if you're trying

3394
02:19:22,870 --> 02:19:19,679
to say anything

3395
02:19:24,549 --> 02:19:22,880
um i just said well then i just won't

3396
02:19:27,429 --> 02:19:24,559
celebrate september 1st

3397
02:19:29,110 --> 02:19:27,439
anymore hey john 16 years old so i mean

3398
02:19:30,389 --> 02:19:29,120
i had my right mind i'm not talking

3399
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:30,399
about it

3400
02:19:35,349 --> 02:19:33,040
were you saying something here i want

3401
02:19:38,469 --> 02:19:35,359
some of that whiskey

3402
02:19:40,230 --> 02:19:38,479
buddy listen i promised you if there's

3403
02:19:42,709 --> 02:19:40,240
everybody in my witness here

3404
02:19:43,349 --> 02:19:42,719
i'm gonna get you a bottle buddy okay

3405
02:19:47,509 --> 02:19:43,359
okay

3406
02:19:49,510 --> 02:19:47,519
get it i make sure i get that sent down

3407
02:19:51,830 --> 02:19:49,520
to you bud

3408
02:19:53,030 --> 02:19:51,840
north in september or so so we might be

3409
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:53,040
able to link up

3410
02:19:58,870 --> 02:19:56,240
uh that'll be great okay uh we

3411
02:20:00,469 --> 02:19:58,880
we we tried to get um i hope it's okay

3412
02:20:01,990 --> 02:20:00,479
if i talk about this but we try to get

3413
02:20:03,670 --> 02:20:02,000
jane green here we did

3414
02:20:05,830 --> 02:20:03,680
and unfortunately she couldn't make it

3415
02:20:08,790 --> 02:20:05,840
because she had a little bit of a

3416
02:20:09,429 --> 02:20:08,800
well she was she almost fell well she

3417
02:20:11,590 --> 02:20:09,439
almost fell

3418
02:20:13,030 --> 02:20:11,600
on uneven ground and her back was

3419
02:20:14,389 --> 02:20:13,040
bothering herself

3420
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:14,399
she couldn't make it and she really

3421
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:16,000
wanted to go and she really wanted to

3422
02:20:17,990 --> 02:20:17,280
come here and unfortunately that was

3423
02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:18,000
going to be our

3424
02:20:21,670 --> 02:20:20,640
special guest announcement that we

3425
02:20:23,030 --> 02:20:21,680
weren't able to make

3426
02:20:25,429 --> 02:20:23,040
but i do want to tell you this and i'm

3427
02:20:28,469 --> 02:20:25,439
not sure if either one of you saw this

3428
02:20:28,950 --> 02:20:28,479
but there's a body language panel that

3429
02:20:32,550 --> 02:20:28,960
did

3430
02:20:35,110 --> 02:20:32,560
to see that

3431
02:20:35,670 --> 02:20:35,120
i did wasn't that amazing i i did and

3432
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:35,680
they did

3433
02:20:41,190 --> 02:20:38,880
tom too and the guys

3434
02:20:41,910 --> 02:20:41,200
that's right and tom directly and tom

3435
02:20:44,950 --> 02:20:41,920
directly yes

3436
02:20:45,590 --> 02:20:44,960
and and the guy says the guy i want to

3437
02:20:48,469 --> 02:20:45,600
talk to

3438
02:20:50,550 --> 02:20:48,479
is the guy in the hat meaning me yeah

3439
02:20:54,550 --> 02:20:50,560
they never contacted me

3440
02:20:58,630 --> 02:20:54,560
yeah but again you know i mean obviously

3441
02:21:01,750 --> 02:20:58,640
um it was nice to see that that uh

3442
02:21:03,590 --> 02:21:01,760
tom and her both pass all the body

3443
02:21:03,910 --> 02:21:03,600
language things of telling the truth or

3444
02:21:06,710 --> 02:21:03,920
not

3445
02:21:07,349 --> 02:21:06,720
right right so i i don't have any

3446
02:21:10,870 --> 02:21:07,359
problem

3447
02:21:12,630 --> 02:21:10,880
i mean it was what it was you know right

3448
02:21:14,710 --> 02:21:12,640
now i'm going to ask this question

3449
02:21:17,910 --> 02:21:14,720
marisa i'm going to start with you

3450
02:21:21,830 --> 02:21:17,920
um have you ever considered

3451
02:21:24,630 --> 02:21:21,840
um regression to try to get to

3452
02:21:26,230 --> 02:21:24,640
what yes i have i would i would love to

3453
02:21:29,349 --> 02:21:26,240
have regression um

3454
02:21:31,750 --> 02:21:29,359
but i don't know who to contact or

3455
02:21:33,590 --> 02:21:31,760
anything about that but i'd like to have

3456
02:21:36,790 --> 02:21:33,600
that done yes

3457
02:21:40,550 --> 02:21:36,800
so um some people say they have fear

3458
02:21:43,910 --> 02:21:40,560
of that and um so but i uh

3459
02:21:45,270 --> 02:21:43,920
thank you and uh that that can actually

3460
02:21:47,510 --> 02:21:45,280
be arranged um

3461
02:21:49,429 --> 02:21:47,520
you know i can talk to you offline about

3462
02:21:50,150 --> 02:21:49,439
that at some other point just because of

3463
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:50,160
uh people

3464
02:21:54,870 --> 02:21:52,399
people i know that do that but what is

3465
02:21:56,950 --> 02:21:54,880
your thoughts on that tom

3466
02:21:58,309 --> 02:21:56,960
do you know this is where it was really

3467
02:22:00,309 --> 02:21:58,319
funny because

3468
02:22:01,349 --> 02:22:00,319
my brother would say to me you know

3469
02:22:03,910 --> 02:22:01,359
tommy

3470
02:22:05,030 --> 02:22:03,920
you need to do that hypnosis stuff and i

3471
02:22:08,550 --> 02:22:05,040
always said

3472
02:22:10,630 --> 02:22:08,560
look i remember enough i mean how much

3473
02:22:13,670 --> 02:22:10,640
do i want to remember

3474
02:22:14,150 --> 02:22:13,680
really how much detail do i want to

3475
02:22:17,429 --> 02:22:14,160
remember

3476
02:22:18,469 --> 02:22:17,439
but okay if it was me you and i are

3477
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:18,479
different okay god

3478
02:22:22,070 --> 02:22:20,880
but i'd want to know like what the heck

3479
02:22:23,750 --> 02:22:22,080
i want to know every little

3480
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:23,760
thing every little detail of one another

3481
02:22:27,670 --> 02:22:25,680
you want every little detail

3482
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:27,680
and that's only if you can be hypnotized

3483
02:22:31,590 --> 02:22:29,680
because i can't be hypnotized

3484
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:31,600
oh right but being honest thank you they

3485
02:22:34,550 --> 02:22:33,280
did it once and i've never been

3486
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:34,560
advertised again

3487
02:22:47,429 --> 02:22:44,150
it comes out it comes out when i'll have

3488
02:22:50,550 --> 02:22:47,439
dreams sometimes and

3489
02:22:52,469 --> 02:22:50,560
i'll remember more than i ever talk on

3490
02:22:53,910 --> 02:22:52,479
any of these programs

3491
02:22:57,030 --> 02:22:53,920
no you know you're setting yourself up

3492
02:22:59,910 --> 02:22:57,040
someone's going to put in chat well

3493
02:23:00,710 --> 02:22:59,920
yeah is this yeah if you're going to go

3494
02:23:02,950 --> 02:23:00,720
in there

3495
02:23:05,110 --> 02:23:02,960
you know i know and i'm sure is out

3496
02:23:09,030 --> 02:23:05,120
there asking probing questions

3497
02:23:11,670 --> 02:23:09,040
you know it's like

3498
02:23:12,469 --> 02:23:11,680
questions you know and it's like nah

3499
02:23:15,270 --> 02:23:12,479
what if

3500
02:23:16,710 --> 02:23:15,280
why on earth would you want to know

3501
02:23:19,590 --> 02:23:16,720
anything like that

3502
02:23:20,790 --> 02:23:19,600
if you you know if they're thinking well

3503
02:23:24,150 --> 02:23:20,800
let me ask you this

3504
02:23:26,630 --> 02:23:24,160
did you did you ever feel um

3505
02:23:27,910 --> 02:23:26,640
you know marisol do you really wanna do

3506
02:23:30,950 --> 02:23:27,920
you wanna really headline

3507
02:23:34,630 --> 02:23:30,960
headliner do you really want one

3508
02:23:35,349 --> 02:23:34,640
um do we want one everyone's kind of

3509
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:35,359
doing

3510
02:23:42,230 --> 02:23:38,960
i don't know um we're all ears

3511
02:23:45,429 --> 02:23:42,240
because if we uh if i said no then um

3512
02:23:46,950 --> 02:23:45,439
i would get lots of hate mail

3513
02:23:49,190 --> 02:23:46,960
i have a scar where i shouldn't have a

3514
02:23:51,510 --> 02:23:49,200
scar

3515
02:23:53,349 --> 02:23:51,520
and that's all i'm gonna say well can

3516
02:23:56,469 --> 02:23:53,359
you just be more specific and say

3517
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:56,479
when that happened when i

3518
02:24:03,510 --> 02:23:59,520
in 1969 1969 yeah

3519
02:24:07,510 --> 02:24:03,520
yeah right hmm so interesting

3520
02:24:11,030 --> 02:24:07,520
so you know we always joke there's

3521
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:11,040
other tommy's out there you know

3522
02:24:17,429 --> 02:24:14,399
and that's it it's no big deal

3523
02:24:18,870 --> 02:24:17,439
you know what do you think they're going

3524
02:24:20,550 --> 02:24:18,880
to do

3525
02:24:21,910 --> 02:24:20,560
they're going to take specimens of

3526
02:24:24,389 --> 02:24:21,920
people

3527
02:24:25,190 --> 02:24:24,399
you know don't don't beat around the

3528
02:24:28,150 --> 02:24:25,200
bush

3529
02:24:29,270 --> 02:24:28,160
that's all it is you know you go to a

3530
02:24:32,150 --> 02:24:29,280
doctor office

3531
02:24:34,150 --> 02:24:32,160
what do they do they take your blood now

3532
02:24:35,510 --> 02:24:34,160
but you don't remember in particular you

3533
02:24:39,030 --> 02:24:35,520
don't remember

3534
02:24:41,190 --> 02:24:39,040
happened the first time i think it

3535
02:24:42,710 --> 02:24:41,200
happened the second time

3536
02:24:44,309 --> 02:24:42,720
and you were asking the question about

3537
02:24:46,790 --> 02:24:44,319
hypnosis and and

3538
02:24:48,710 --> 02:24:46,800
do i want to do i want to know every

3539
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:48,720
detail that how that happened

3540
02:24:54,389 --> 02:24:51,840
no i don't

3541
02:24:56,150 --> 02:24:54,399
i know that it happened because you know

3542
02:24:58,230 --> 02:24:56,160
you go like

3543
02:24:59,590 --> 02:24:58,240
yeah you know you find out you know your

3544
02:25:02,710 --> 02:24:59,600
own body you know

3545
02:25:06,070 --> 02:25:02,720
marisol you said that you

3546
02:25:08,309 --> 02:25:06,080
slid off a table do you remember any

3547
02:25:11,429 --> 02:25:08,319
more than that

3548
02:25:14,469 --> 02:25:11,439
um i just remember that when i

3549
02:25:17,910 --> 02:25:14,479
slid off this table it was

3550
02:25:21,349 --> 02:25:17,920
definitely part of whatever

3551
02:25:24,790 --> 02:25:21,359
this ship was um it didn't

3552
02:25:31,510 --> 02:25:24,800
it didn't have any bolts it was just

3553
02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:34,870
um

3554
02:25:41,429 --> 02:25:38,070
the levitating feeling when i was trying

3555
02:25:45,270 --> 02:25:41,439
to stay down underneath

3556
02:25:48,150 --> 02:25:45,280
the table part um

3557
02:25:48,870 --> 02:25:48,160
i felt the levitation my body being

3558
02:25:52,630 --> 02:25:48,880
lifted

3559
02:25:55,910 --> 02:25:52,640
kind of like dragged but not dragged

3560
02:25:59,750 --> 02:25:55,920
but floating and

3561
02:26:03,190 --> 02:25:59,760
to that the side walls

3562
02:26:06,550 --> 02:26:03,200
to where those big huge i don't know i

3563
02:26:07,030 --> 02:26:06,560
call them cubby holes because they

3564
02:26:09,990 --> 02:26:07,040
looked

3565
02:26:10,870 --> 02:26:10,000
kind of like you know when you have an

3566
02:26:13,349 --> 02:26:10,880
egg carton

3567
02:26:15,590 --> 02:26:13,359
and and it has all the little little

3568
02:26:19,190 --> 02:26:15,600
holes to put all the eggs in

3569
02:26:22,389 --> 02:26:19,200
yeah but more like a

3570
02:26:26,710 --> 02:26:22,399
flat space against the wall

3571
02:26:29,110 --> 02:26:26,720
with cubby holes where all the children

3572
02:26:30,230 --> 02:26:29,120
were inside these cubby holes and i and

3573
02:26:34,150 --> 02:26:30,240
i was

3574
02:26:39,030 --> 02:26:34,160
in the cubby hole you can't move it

3575
02:26:41,590 --> 02:26:39,040
it won't you have you can't move

3576
02:26:42,309 --> 02:26:41,600
and then watching for me and then the

3577
02:26:46,230 --> 02:26:42,319
light

3578
02:26:49,270 --> 02:26:46,240
that comes and then i'm outside

3579
02:26:52,469 --> 02:26:49,280
tom has a question for you okay

3580
02:26:56,469 --> 02:26:52,479
so hello uh

3581
02:26:57,990 --> 02:26:56,479
hey uh you i remember you as the third

3582
02:27:01,270 --> 02:26:58,000
child down on my lap

3583
02:27:01,750 --> 02:27:01,280
melanie was probably a little up from

3584
02:27:05,110 --> 02:27:01,760
you

3585
02:27:07,910 --> 02:27:05,120
window

3586
02:27:09,270 --> 02:27:07,920
uh of from when you're behind that glass

3587
02:27:12,070 --> 02:27:09,280
or whatever that

3588
02:27:13,110 --> 02:27:12,080
held you in there would have been just

3589
02:27:16,710 --> 02:27:13,120
off to your right

3590
02:27:20,389 --> 02:27:16,720
am i correct yes and there was a

3591
02:27:22,469 --> 02:27:20,399
there was another girl

3592
02:27:25,190 --> 02:27:22,479
like two down from you and she was

3593
02:27:29,349 --> 02:27:25,200
taller is that correct

3594
02:27:33,190 --> 02:27:29,359
she looked extremely tall yeah yes

3595
02:27:33,990 --> 02:27:33,200
26 so yeah well that's true i mean i was

3596
02:27:37,270 --> 02:27:34,000
10 so

3597
02:27:37,990 --> 02:27:37,280
but she appeared tall to me so but i

3598
02:27:40,630 --> 02:27:38,000
remember you

3599
02:27:42,230 --> 02:27:40,640
as the third child down on the left hand

3600
02:27:45,510 --> 02:27:42,240
and left hand side

3601
02:27:48,070 --> 02:27:45,520
and this wall was like this

3602
02:27:49,429 --> 02:27:48,080
it was clear but it was like a foggy

3603
02:27:51,750 --> 02:27:49,439
like clear

3604
02:27:53,990 --> 02:27:51,760
and and all the kids were along that

3605
02:27:54,630 --> 02:27:54,000
wall you know uh i'd like to say tom

3606
02:27:57,270 --> 02:27:54,640
reed

3607
02:27:58,150 --> 02:27:57,280
on my show talked about that wall and i

3608
02:28:01,990 --> 02:27:58,160
i

3609
02:28:04,870 --> 02:28:02,000
was

3610
02:28:05,429 --> 02:28:04,880
like glass walls yes it's like it's like

3611
02:28:08,469 --> 02:28:05,439
it's like

3612
02:28:12,710 --> 02:28:08,479
melted glass like um like

3613
02:28:16,630 --> 02:28:12,720
rock you can't see through it but

3614
02:28:19,110 --> 02:28:16,640
almost amazing

3615
02:28:19,830 --> 02:28:19,120
i gotta ask um i'll start with you

3616
02:28:23,190 --> 02:28:19,840
marisol

3617
02:28:26,630 --> 02:28:23,200
is did do you remember any like

3618
02:28:27,510 --> 02:28:26,640
noises or smells i know that sounds

3619
02:28:29,510 --> 02:28:27,520
strange

3620
02:28:31,030 --> 02:28:29,520
but did anything come to mind or was it

3621
02:28:34,630 --> 02:28:31,040
hard to breathe

3622
02:28:37,670 --> 02:28:34,640
i remember the the children crying

3623
02:28:40,070 --> 02:28:37,680
i then the the sound of the

3624
02:28:42,389 --> 02:28:40,080
children crying scared me it terrified

3625
02:28:44,870 --> 02:28:42,399
me because some of the children

3626
02:28:46,710 --> 02:28:44,880
weren't just crying they were kind of

3627
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:46,720
like in pain

3628
02:28:55,270 --> 02:28:50,240
it sounded like scary terrifying

3629
02:28:58,389 --> 02:28:55,280
i was scared i was just scared

3630
02:29:00,790 --> 02:28:58,399
and uh when i when i

3631
02:29:02,790 --> 02:29:00,800
when i was able to focus once i opened

3632
02:29:03,990 --> 02:29:02,800
my eyes and i realized that i'm not in

3633
02:29:06,469 --> 02:29:04,000
my bed

3634
02:29:08,309 --> 02:29:06,479
and i was able to focus from the light

3635
02:29:11,190 --> 02:29:08,319
that was shining it was like something

3636
02:29:14,389 --> 02:29:11,200
coming from up above

3637
02:29:17,830 --> 02:29:14,399
down to my face

3638
02:29:18,870 --> 02:29:17,840
and when i when i focused and i got to

3639
02:29:21,510 --> 02:29:18,880
see

3640
02:29:22,790 --> 02:29:21,520
the features of the entities that were

3641
02:29:26,230 --> 02:29:22,800
there

3642
02:29:29,830 --> 02:29:26,240
um it was so

3643
02:29:31,910 --> 02:29:29,840
shocking that i could not believe what i

3644
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:31,920
was seeing

3645
02:29:38,790 --> 02:29:35,520
um i was terrified

3646
02:29:42,389 --> 02:29:38,800
when i looked when i when i looked

3647
02:29:46,950 --> 02:29:42,399
and i saw this person thing i

3648
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:46,960
the first reaction was to try to

3649
02:29:53,510 --> 02:29:50,399
fight you know fight get out of there

3650
02:29:57,349 --> 02:29:53,520
but i couldn't i tried but

3651
02:30:00,070 --> 02:29:57,359
i couldn't my hands just came back down

3652
02:30:02,630 --> 02:30:00,080
i had no control except for when i

3653
02:30:05,670 --> 02:30:02,640
started hearing the kids crying

3654
02:30:08,710 --> 02:30:05,680
and i moved my eyes and i saw i saw the

3655
02:30:14,469 --> 02:30:12,309
and his eyes his eyes were

3656
02:30:15,670 --> 02:30:14,479
he was kind of bewildered and that was

3657
02:30:19,670 --> 02:30:15,680
tom

3658
02:30:21,830 --> 02:30:19,680
uh he was kind of like

3659
02:30:22,950 --> 02:30:21,840
i don't know how when a child is kind of

3660
02:30:25,270 --> 02:30:22,960
lost but

3661
02:30:28,469 --> 02:30:25,280
you know they're still trying to figure

3662
02:30:32,630 --> 02:30:28,479
out if they are lost

3663
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:32,640
and his eyes just made me feel

3664
02:30:39,670 --> 02:30:36,000
calm because i didn't he wasn't crying

3665
02:30:42,790 --> 02:30:39,680
he he didn't have that look of

3666
02:30:47,190 --> 02:30:42,800
terror that the other girl had

3667
02:30:47,510 --> 02:30:47,200
i mean she the look at her face scared

3668
02:30:51,510 --> 02:30:47,520
me

3669
02:30:54,230 --> 02:30:51,520
so much um

3670
02:30:56,150 --> 02:30:54,240
the i called her the lady i didn't know

3671
02:30:59,910 --> 02:30:56,160
that she was only 14

3672
02:31:01,030 --> 02:30:59,920
at the time or 15 but to me she was a

3673
02:31:03,110 --> 02:31:01,040
lady

3674
02:31:05,670 --> 02:31:03,120
and i didn't know that it was her until

3675
02:31:07,270 --> 02:31:05,680
the unsolved mystery the expression that

3676
02:31:09,750 --> 02:31:07,280
she made

3677
02:31:11,270 --> 02:31:09,760
on that show was the insane expression

3678
02:31:15,670 --> 02:31:11,280
she had on that [\h__\h]

3679
02:31:18,469 --> 02:31:15,680
and she was crushed down and she was

3680
02:31:30,630 --> 02:31:18,479
terrified i mean just to look in her

3681
02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:36,309
i can't hear anything

3682
02:31:41,590 --> 02:31:39,910
i'm sorry that was me i had my mic muted

3683
02:31:43,270 --> 02:31:41,600
i'm throwing everyone down mute and mike

3684
02:31:45,510 --> 02:31:43,280
and it was me after all brett

3685
02:31:47,990 --> 02:31:45,520
um you're on the line from tennessee

3686
02:31:50,389 --> 02:31:48,000
welcome to the show

3687
02:31:52,469 --> 02:31:50,399
hey there great show martin and thanks

3688
02:31:54,830 --> 02:31:52,479
everybody for sharing your stories

3689
02:31:55,990 --> 02:31:54,840
uh this question is basically for

3690
02:31:59,110 --> 02:31:56,000
everybody

3691
02:32:00,790 --> 02:31:59,120
um it's just something i

3692
02:32:02,950 --> 02:32:00,800
curious to know because a lot of people

3693
02:32:05,990 --> 02:32:02,960
who have these encounters

3694
02:32:08,710 --> 02:32:06,000
typically have a more positive

3695
02:32:10,230 --> 02:32:08,720
experience or you know have any kind of

3696
02:32:13,590 --> 02:32:10,240
fear subdued

3697
02:32:16,710 --> 02:32:13,600
did anybody have any kind of

3698
02:32:19,590 --> 02:32:16,720
dark dark feelings about

3699
02:32:20,870 --> 02:32:19,600
these uh entities or you know if you

3700
02:32:21,990 --> 02:32:20,880
looked at them and said you know there's

3701
02:32:25,110 --> 02:32:22,000
something i don't trust

3702
02:32:28,389 --> 02:32:25,120
about you guys

3703
02:32:31,349 --> 02:32:28,399
okay who wants to take that one i was

3704
02:32:33,270 --> 02:32:31,359
terrified of my first because i was only

3705
02:32:36,630 --> 02:32:33,280
six years old and and to see

3706
02:32:38,870 --> 02:32:36,640
some something like that um that does

3707
02:32:40,790 --> 02:32:38,880
it looks kind of human it has a head it

3708
02:32:43,670 --> 02:32:40,800
has eyes it has a mouth it has a

3709
02:32:44,950 --> 02:32:43,680
has a nose but it does not look human at

3710
02:32:49,270 --> 02:32:44,960
all it's

3711
02:32:53,030 --> 02:32:49,280
it was quite shocking and scary for me

3712
02:32:56,230 --> 02:32:53,040
yeah and go ahead

3713
02:32:58,070 --> 02:32:56,240
i was going to ask my result

3714
02:33:00,389 --> 02:32:58,080
tom also even though we have a hang on

3715
02:33:03,670 --> 02:33:00,399
caller tom go ahead

3716
02:33:06,070 --> 02:33:03,680
marisol uh now

3717
02:33:07,270 --> 02:33:06,080
when after this happened i went in my

3718
02:33:10,469 --> 02:33:07,280
garage and i

3719
02:33:12,950 --> 02:33:10,479
as you know i did um i did drawings

3720
02:33:15,429 --> 02:33:12,960
of course i'm a lot better artist now

3721
02:33:18,150 --> 02:33:15,439
than i was at 10 years old

3722
02:33:19,590 --> 02:33:18,160
but the overall sketch the sketches that

3723
02:33:22,230 --> 02:33:19,600
i did

3724
02:33:23,910 --> 02:33:22,240
what how close was i to what you saw you

3725
02:33:27,750 --> 02:33:23,920
were quite accurate

3726
02:33:34,230 --> 02:33:31,429
well you know i just found these out

3727
02:33:35,990 --> 02:33:34,240
you know i was i just found them again

3728
02:33:36,790 --> 02:33:36,000
last fall when i went to rebuild my

3729
02:33:38,870 --> 02:33:36,800
house in

3730
02:33:40,469 --> 02:33:38,880
my garage and i was actually quite

3731
02:33:42,790 --> 02:33:40,479
shocked to see them and stuff and it

3732
02:33:45,990 --> 02:33:42,800
brought me back to that night my father

3733
02:33:46,790 --> 02:33:46,000
actually covered him up with the with

3734
02:33:48,469 --> 02:33:46,800
the

3735
02:33:50,150 --> 02:33:48,479
tongue and groove paneling so i was

3736
02:33:52,870 --> 02:33:50,160
really surprised when i saw him and

3737
02:33:53,510 --> 02:33:52,880
you know and and i did send them to mary

3738
02:33:57,349 --> 02:33:53,520
so

3739
02:34:00,950 --> 02:33:57,359
just to see her react i was

3740
02:34:03,910 --> 02:34:00,960
i was shocked and uh he he really

3741
02:34:06,230 --> 02:34:03,920
he really that the whole the eyes and

3742
02:34:10,790 --> 02:34:06,240
the way he did the head

3743
02:34:18,230 --> 02:34:15,270
brad i'm sorry continue on

3744
02:34:19,670 --> 02:34:18,240
oh no no that's it i just uh that's uh

3745
02:34:20,710 --> 02:34:19,680
you answer my questions i thank you

3746
02:34:23,830 --> 02:34:20,720
again

3747
02:34:26,230 --> 02:34:23,840
thanks a lot all right so

3748
02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:26,240
uh i'm seeing mike but i don't think

3749
02:34:29,670 --> 02:34:26,960
that's a mic

3750
02:34:30,790 --> 02:34:29,680
on the line so the lines are open and

3751
02:34:33,270 --> 02:34:30,800
that's uh

3752
02:34:33,990 --> 02:34:33,280
eight five five four seven two five four

3753
02:34:37,349 --> 02:34:34,000
eight three

3754
02:34:39,349 --> 02:34:37,359
bill is standing by um so you got your

3755
02:34:41,590 --> 02:34:39,359
question answered now i wanna pull up

3756
02:34:44,309 --> 02:34:41,600
um because someone was asking about the

3757
02:34:47,830 --> 02:34:44,319
orb and i think i got the pictures here

3758
02:34:49,670 --> 02:34:47,840
nope that i can't see any i must have

3759
02:34:52,070 --> 02:34:49,680
the wrong

3760
02:34:53,270 --> 02:34:52,080
oh okay then just barely see it over the

3761
02:34:56,550 --> 02:34:53,280
rooftop right

3762
02:35:01,910 --> 02:35:00,230
the orb if you went without without uh

3763
02:35:04,790 --> 02:35:01,920
i know you can't see it this might be a

3764
02:35:08,150 --> 02:35:04,800
separate occasion i sent him the blue

3765
02:35:08,870 --> 02:35:08,160
well yeah well okay so the or without

3766
02:35:11,349 --> 02:35:08,880
you know

3767
02:35:12,070 --> 02:35:11,359
connie is not related to connie willis

3768
02:35:14,630 --> 02:35:12,080
is not related

3769
02:35:15,670 --> 02:35:14,640
to you right uh but if you went on coast

3770
02:35:17,750 --> 02:35:15,680
to coast those

3771
02:35:19,510 --> 02:35:17,760
those pictures are on you don't mind i

3772
02:35:22,389 --> 02:35:19,520
say gold coast

3773
02:35:23,750 --> 02:35:22,399
google coast to coast uh tom warner and

3774
02:35:24,870 --> 02:35:23,760
those images will be on

3775
02:35:27,670 --> 02:35:24,880
all right i'll put those in the show

3776
02:35:31,590 --> 02:35:27,680
notes yeah you'll be but those orbs were

3777
02:35:33,429 --> 02:35:31,600
clear as can be they were probably

3778
02:35:35,670 --> 02:35:33,439
i don't know they were probably 10 feet

3779
02:35:38,630 --> 02:35:35,680
off the ground i was within

3780
02:35:39,110 --> 02:35:38,640
25 feet of the first one when i saw it

3781
02:35:41,270 --> 02:35:39,120
and

3782
02:35:42,150 --> 02:35:41,280
then of course it went right into me so

3783
02:35:45,110 --> 02:35:42,160
that was

3784
02:35:46,870 --> 02:35:45,120
so here's a question from rnr i like

3785
02:35:49,270 --> 02:35:46,880
that rest and relaxation

3786
02:35:51,110 --> 02:35:49,280
right has anyone experienced heightened

3787
02:35:55,270 --> 02:35:51,120
psychic abilities after

3788
02:36:00,150 --> 02:35:55,280
this type of contact my soul

3789
02:36:04,389 --> 02:36:00,160
um i'd say that uh yes

3790
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:04,399
um i oh i want to speak to have katrina

3791
02:36:12,150 --> 02:36:09,040
i was um when i had my second

3792
02:36:15,750 --> 02:36:12,160
my second abduction when i was 25 i

3793
02:36:17,510 --> 02:36:15,760
um i was given something to drink by

3794
02:36:22,230 --> 02:36:17,520
this tall

3795
02:36:25,349 --> 02:36:22,240
glowing entity um i was thirsty

3796
02:36:27,190 --> 02:36:25,359
um obviously the night the night before

3797
02:36:28,550 --> 02:36:27,200
um this happened to me my sister and i

3798
02:36:31,990 --> 02:36:28,560
had been out drinking

3799
02:36:35,110 --> 02:36:32,000
um we were drinking i was 24

3800
02:36:38,230 --> 02:36:35,120
she's 21. um

3801
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:38,240
at the night we went home i the sentence

3802
02:36:43,429 --> 02:36:39,280
he came

3803
02:36:47,510 --> 02:36:43,439
took me out of the living room and

3804
02:36:51,750 --> 02:36:47,520
i was hungover

3805
02:36:53,910 --> 02:36:51,760
and thirsty so i said to the entity i'm

3806
02:36:57,270 --> 02:36:53,920
thirsty and i want some water

3807
02:36:58,550 --> 02:36:57,280
and i guess he wasn't moving fast enough

3808
02:37:00,550 --> 02:36:58,560
for me

3809
02:37:02,469 --> 02:37:00,560
and i kind of yelled it out again

3810
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:02,479
where's my water i'm thirsty may i have

3811
02:37:06,070 --> 02:37:03,280
some water

3812
02:37:07,830 --> 02:37:06,080
and he gave me something to drink it was

3813
02:37:13,190 --> 02:37:07,840
a small

3814
02:37:16,389 --> 02:37:13,200
vial of something and once i drank that

3815
02:37:18,630 --> 02:37:16,399
my thirst was completely gone but

3816
02:37:20,870 --> 02:37:18,640
um something else started happening and

3817
02:37:24,230 --> 02:37:20,880
i started hearing

3818
02:37:25,190 --> 02:37:24,240
other voices around me but i couldn't

3819
02:37:28,630 --> 02:37:25,200
see

3820
02:37:32,150 --> 02:37:28,640
the other entities until a few

3821
02:37:33,429 --> 02:37:32,160
seconds later the drink kicked in pretty

3822
02:37:36,830 --> 02:37:33,439
good

3823
02:37:41,830 --> 02:37:36,840
i it didn't make me feel

3824
02:37:45,750 --> 02:37:44,790
my awareness um i could hear people's

3825
02:37:49,349 --> 02:37:45,760
thoughts even

3826
02:37:52,790 --> 02:37:49,359
after that happened and they left

3827
02:37:55,750 --> 02:37:52,800
um i knew who was calling um

3828
02:37:57,190 --> 02:37:55,760
i would go i i went i even went to a

3829
02:38:01,349 --> 02:37:57,200
doctor because i thought i was

3830
02:38:02,790 --> 02:38:01,359
having us schizophrenia or something

3831
02:38:04,389 --> 02:38:02,800
because they say that people have to

3832
02:38:07,349 --> 02:38:04,399
have schizophrenia

3833
02:38:09,190 --> 02:38:07,359
um hear voices and things like that so i

3834
02:38:11,190 --> 02:38:09,200
wanted to make sure i'm okay you know

3835
02:38:13,510 --> 02:38:11,200
i'm not hearing voices i'm not going

3836
02:38:17,270 --> 02:38:13,520
crazy i'm not losing my mind

3837
02:38:19,110 --> 02:38:17,280
and i wasn't losing my mind and i wasn't

3838
02:38:19,670 --> 02:38:19,120
going crazy whatever they gave me to

3839
02:38:23,190 --> 02:38:19,680
drink

3840
02:38:26,870 --> 02:38:23,200
heightened my ability to

3841
02:38:30,469 --> 02:38:26,880
hear people's thoughts um

3842
02:38:34,389 --> 02:38:30,479
uh i have uh uh

3843
02:38:35,270 --> 02:38:34,399
prophetic prophetic dreams uh visions of

3844
02:38:39,910 --> 02:38:35,280
things to

3845
02:38:43,190 --> 02:38:39,920
that happen um or have happened

3846
02:38:45,110 --> 02:38:43,200
um but the telepathy thing was um i can

3847
02:38:46,389 --> 02:38:45,120
actually hear people's thoughts that was

3848
02:38:49,750 --> 02:38:46,399
very disturbing i

3849
02:38:52,070 --> 02:38:49,760
did not know how to cope with that i i

3850
02:38:54,230 --> 02:38:52,080
really thought i was losing my mind um i

3851
02:38:57,590 --> 02:38:54,240
went and i sought psychiatric help

3852
02:39:00,870 --> 02:38:57,600
um and uh

3853
02:39:01,590 --> 02:39:00,880
yeah wow interesting well in a way i

3854
02:39:03,110 --> 02:39:01,600
almost

3855
02:39:05,510 --> 02:39:03,120
want to try some of that but i'm not

3856
02:39:08,630 --> 02:39:05,520
really sure if i dare to

3857
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:08,640
but um

3858
02:39:14,389 --> 02:39:11,680
so we have uh we have katrina tom

3859
02:39:15,270 --> 02:39:14,399
katrina calling from the state of maine

3860
02:39:18,150 --> 02:39:15,280
and uh

3861
02:39:22,230 --> 02:39:18,160
that's where i drove down from today uh

3862
02:39:22,240 --> 02:39:26,150
katrina katrina

3863
02:39:42,550 --> 02:39:29,990
are you there katrina bill

3864
02:39:45,990 --> 02:39:45,110
are you coming from a campbell soup can

3865
02:39:48,550 --> 02:39:46,000
what is that

3866
02:39:49,429 --> 02:39:48,560
phone i'm hearing i can't hear you try

3867
02:40:03,590 --> 02:39:49,439
again

3868
02:40:09,910 --> 02:40:07,429
a lot easier than the stupid phone

3869
02:40:12,070 --> 02:40:09,920
but i want to thank you for doing this

3870
02:40:15,190 --> 02:40:12,080
um

3871
02:40:19,269 --> 02:40:15,200
my my dad was taken

3872
02:40:22,469 --> 02:40:19,279
um at that same date and she was

3873
02:40:25,670 --> 02:40:22,479
my sister was taken and and i was taken

3874
02:40:30,790 --> 02:40:28,309
wow um and uh obviously you've talked to

3875
02:40:33,670 --> 02:40:30,800
tom about this

3876
02:40:35,670 --> 02:40:33,680
yes i have so let me ask you this where

3877
02:40:38,389 --> 02:40:35,680
and you're saying this happened the same

3878
02:40:38,870 --> 02:40:38,399
evening and where where was it at the

3879
02:40:42,469 --> 02:40:38,880
time

3880
02:40:43,030 --> 02:40:42,479
was it stockbridge yes in stockbridge

3881
02:40:46,630 --> 02:40:43,040
but

3882
02:40:51,670 --> 02:40:46,640
we're not too close to tom we're up

3883
02:40:54,710 --> 02:40:51,680
by um bullard woods

3884
02:40:58,070 --> 02:40:54,720
and what happened was uh

3885
02:41:01,269 --> 02:40:58,080
some kind of a ufo wasn't as big as what

3886
02:41:04,230 --> 02:41:01,279
they're talking about crashed into the

3887
02:41:06,389 --> 02:41:04,240
woods and bullard woods

3888
02:41:08,230 --> 02:41:06,399
and it left an impression a round

3889
02:41:12,230 --> 02:41:08,240
impression

3890
02:41:15,830 --> 02:41:12,240
that nothing would grow in for years

3891
02:41:19,030 --> 02:41:15,840
and then um there was an

3892
02:41:21,590 --> 02:41:19,040
area that they mowed down that went

3893
02:41:25,190 --> 02:41:21,600
towards the houses

3894
02:41:28,790 --> 02:41:25,200
that the children and my dad would

3895
02:41:32,950 --> 02:41:28,800
were taken right to our house

3896
02:41:34,950 --> 02:41:32,960
so um so so are you certain

3897
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:34,960
i'm i'm sorry it sounded like you just

3898
02:41:37,910 --> 02:41:36,160
said taken

3899
02:41:39,990 --> 02:41:37,920
to your house you're saying taken from

3900
02:41:44,550 --> 02:41:40,000
your house

3901
02:41:47,830 --> 02:41:44,560
yeah we were we were abducted yeah

3902
02:41:49,269 --> 02:41:47,840
and uh how and and how how did your

3903
02:41:51,910 --> 02:41:49,279
family deal with that

3904
02:41:54,389 --> 02:41:51,920
i mean what let's hear more details if

3905
02:41:59,910 --> 02:41:58,150
about that at the time no one talked

3906
02:42:04,230 --> 02:41:59,920
about it

3907
02:42:06,469 --> 02:42:04,240
and it was on the local radio station

3908
02:42:08,950 --> 02:42:06,479
people calling in and calling in because

3909
02:42:12,790 --> 02:42:08,960
there were a lot of sightings

3910
02:42:19,670 --> 02:42:12,800
and my mother turned off the radio

3911
02:42:28,630 --> 02:42:22,950
katrina i have a question for you

3912
02:42:35,429 --> 02:42:32,150
so going back

3913
02:42:37,510 --> 02:42:35,439
you have this mental telepathy because

3914
02:42:39,910 --> 02:42:37,520
we we understand it goes back and forth

3915
02:42:40,230 --> 02:42:39,920
between you and i at different times and

3916
02:42:52,630 --> 02:42:40,240
i

3917
02:42:55,590 --> 02:42:52,640
that was bor

3918
02:42:59,670 --> 02:42:55,600
that you were born with or the developed

3919
02:43:01,590 --> 02:42:59,680
after your experiences with the ufo

3920
02:43:03,670 --> 02:43:01,600
i never even thought that it came from

3921
02:43:07,110 --> 02:43:03,680
the ufo

3922
02:43:10,870 --> 02:43:07,120
um but it didn't show up until later

3923
02:43:13,429 --> 02:43:10,880
i was very young i was born in 1960

3924
02:43:14,230 --> 02:43:13,439
so it was i was eight years old at the

3925
02:43:17,590 --> 02:43:14,240
time

3926
02:43:21,269 --> 02:43:17,600
right so i wouldn't even think about

3927
02:43:22,790 --> 02:43:21,279
mental telepathy at that age but later

3928
02:43:25,990 --> 02:43:22,800
on

3929
02:43:29,429 --> 02:43:26,000
i could see things happening

3930
02:43:30,469 --> 02:43:29,439
that were going to upset me and i would

3931
02:43:34,150 --> 02:43:30,479
know already

3932
02:43:35,190 --> 02:43:34,160
so i think it was taking care of me so

3933
02:43:38,550 --> 02:43:35,200
that i wasn't so

3934
02:43:40,469 --> 02:43:38,560
scared i'm just i'm just glad to be

3935
02:43:44,070 --> 02:43:40,479
connected to you

3936
02:43:47,110 --> 02:43:44,080
just so you know yes yeah yeah well

3937
02:43:48,870 --> 02:43:47,120
tom is the delivery man

3938
02:43:50,550 --> 02:43:48,880
he's the one who brings it out for

3939
02:43:53,990 --> 02:43:50,560
everyone which is

3940
02:43:56,309 --> 02:43:54,000
so brave even now no one wants to talk

3941
02:44:07,830 --> 02:43:56,319
about it

3942
02:44:11,670 --> 02:44:10,150
they they showed him the alien showed

3943
02:44:15,190 --> 02:44:11,680
him

3944
02:44:16,230 --> 02:44:15,200
their technology and he was a mechanical

3945
02:44:18,630 --> 02:44:16,240
engineer

3946
02:44:20,950 --> 02:44:18,640
so he just thought it was the coolest

3947
02:44:24,230 --> 02:44:20,960
thing ever

3948
02:44:26,950 --> 02:44:24,240
wow katrina did your father he worked

3949
02:44:30,150 --> 02:44:26,960
for ge is that correct

3950
02:44:31,590 --> 02:44:30,160
yes he did yes yes so he would have been

3951
02:44:34,710 --> 02:44:31,600
part of some of those

3952
02:44:38,309 --> 02:44:34,720
governmental things that we don't

3953
02:44:40,230 --> 02:44:38,319
hear about am i correct well he worked

3954
02:44:43,750 --> 02:44:40,240
for

3955
02:44:48,150 --> 02:44:43,760
they got nasa contracts so he

3956
02:44:50,469 --> 02:44:48,160
worked for trajectories

3957
02:44:52,070 --> 02:44:50,479
yeah which was pretty open at that time

3958
02:44:53,670 --> 02:44:52,080
because it was nasa

3959
02:44:55,429 --> 02:44:53,680
right so he would have been the person

3960
02:44:57,750 --> 02:44:55,439
you've been a good person to abduct

3961
02:45:01,990 --> 02:44:57,760
really when you think about it

3962
02:45:05,030 --> 02:45:02,000
oh he just loved it it wasn't a scary

3963
02:45:07,510 --> 02:45:05,040
it wasn't scary at all

3964
02:45:09,830 --> 02:45:07,520
when my sister thought it was the

3965
02:45:12,950 --> 02:45:09,840
greatest thing going because they were

3966
02:45:16,790 --> 02:45:12,960
they told her she was being the queen of

3967
02:45:20,070 --> 02:45:16,800
some planet or something and for me they

3968
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:20,080
kicked me out because i was too young

3969
02:45:23,910 --> 02:45:22,000
and they popped me out and i had to find

3970
02:45:25,990 --> 02:45:23,920
my way back home

3971
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:26,000
and i had to knock on my front door to

3972
02:45:34,950 --> 02:45:33,110
it wasn't scary but i think it wasn't so

3973
02:45:38,150 --> 02:45:34,960
scary because

3974
02:45:40,870 --> 02:45:38,160
my dad would talk about it well that's

3975
02:45:42,550 --> 02:45:40,880
the difference i hear

3976
02:45:43,910 --> 02:45:42,560
yeah i mean that's the difference you

3977
02:45:45,750 --> 02:45:43,920
hear about a lot

3978
02:45:47,910 --> 02:45:45,760
is that no one wants to talk about it we

3979
02:45:49,910 --> 02:45:47,920
heard it here tonight many times

3980
02:45:52,309 --> 02:45:49,920
and uh you know unfortunately that that

3981
02:45:53,830 --> 02:45:52,319
is a problem katrina thank you so much i

3982
02:45:56,230 --> 02:45:53,840
feel like i'd like to talk to you more i

3983
02:45:58,150 --> 02:45:56,240
live in maine too i drove down here um

3984
02:45:59,830 --> 02:45:58,160
so maybe tom can connect us would be

3985
02:46:02,550 --> 02:45:59,840
interesting to talk a little

3986
02:46:04,230 --> 02:46:02,560
um we have a couple callers waiting and

3987
02:46:05,830 --> 02:46:04,240
we're running out of time so i gotta

3988
02:46:06,630 --> 02:46:05,840
grab these two other calls but thanks so

3989
02:46:10,070 --> 02:46:06,640
much for your call

3990
02:46:10,389 --> 02:46:10,080
thanks katrina hey cam yeah all right we

3991
02:46:12,790 --> 02:46:10,399
have

3992
02:46:15,429 --> 02:46:12,800
garth calling from california garth

3993
02:46:19,269 --> 02:46:15,439
welcome to the show

3994
02:46:24,309 --> 02:46:22,830
i am go ahead thank you all for doing

3995
02:46:28,550 --> 02:46:24,319
this

3996
02:46:31,349 --> 02:46:30,070
first of all thank you all for doing

3997
02:46:32,950 --> 02:46:31,359
this i think it's very exciting that

3998
02:46:33,990 --> 02:46:32,960
this subject is getting some traction

3999
02:46:37,190 --> 02:46:34,000
now

4000
02:46:39,990 --> 02:46:37,200
yeah and um

4001
02:46:41,670 --> 02:46:40,000
i'm wondering if i know that you guys

4002
02:46:44,469 --> 02:46:41,680
were very young when this happened

4003
02:46:45,110 --> 02:46:44,479
but in retrospect do you have some sort

4004
02:46:49,830 --> 02:46:45,120
of

4005
02:46:51,429 --> 02:46:49,840
think it's a study program

4006
02:46:52,950 --> 02:46:51,439
and uh possibly that they're trying to

4007
02:46:56,309 --> 02:46:52,960
help us with the

4008
02:46:58,469 --> 02:46:56,319
nuclear problem well i

4009
02:46:59,590 --> 02:46:58,479
i've looked at i've looked at that for

4010
02:47:02,070 --> 02:46:59,600
many years

4011
02:47:02,710 --> 02:47:02,080
and had you know it was posed the

4012
02:47:05,990 --> 02:47:02,720
question

4013
02:47:09,190 --> 02:47:06,000
and and i think it's to make

4014
02:47:09,910 --> 02:47:09,200
us aware of our technology can only

4015
02:47:11,590 --> 02:47:09,920
advance

4016
02:47:13,670 --> 02:47:11,600
if we take care of the planet that we're

4017
02:47:14,469 --> 02:47:13,680
on so i'm going to strongly suggest to

4018
02:47:15,990 --> 02:47:14,479
humanity

4019
02:47:17,670 --> 02:47:16,000
to make sure that they're taking care of

4020
02:47:21,190 --> 02:47:17,680
this planet because

4021
02:47:22,950 --> 02:47:21,200
we can't advance and you can't be in it

4022
02:47:25,110 --> 02:47:22,960
you can't if you're not gonna win it you

4023
02:47:26,230 --> 02:47:25,120
can't be in it and time is what we need

4024
02:47:28,389 --> 02:47:26,240
and time is

4025
02:47:30,309 --> 02:47:28,399
taking care of this planet and we we

4026
02:47:33,830 --> 02:47:30,319
have to turn it around and turn around

4027
02:47:37,030 --> 02:47:33,840
soon well as uh many people have said

4028
02:47:39,750 --> 02:47:37,040
you know there that other encounters

4029
02:47:40,150 --> 02:47:39,760
this is one of the things that they feel

4030
02:47:42,150 --> 02:47:40,160
right

4031
02:47:43,670 --> 02:47:42,160
this planet has to be taken care of

4032
02:47:47,510 --> 02:47:43,680
right uh anyone else want to address

4033
02:47:53,269 --> 02:47:50,710
no thank you uh thank you so much garth

4034
02:47:54,469 --> 02:47:53,279
i really appreciate the call that was uh

4035
02:47:57,429 --> 02:47:54,479
that was a good question

4036
02:47:58,870 --> 02:47:57,439
thank you thank you all right next we

4037
02:48:01,030 --> 02:47:58,880
have uh hugo

4038
02:48:03,269 --> 02:48:01,040
and where is hugo calling from new york

4039
02:48:07,269 --> 02:48:03,279
city hi

4040
02:48:11,750 --> 02:48:10,550
how are you guys um yeah nice to hear

4041
02:48:12,150 --> 02:48:11,760
from all of you but i have a question

4042
02:48:15,830 --> 02:48:12,160
for

4043
02:48:17,269 --> 02:48:15,840
all of you i'm sorry if you got asked

4044
02:48:19,429 --> 02:48:17,279
that question before but

4045
02:48:20,870 --> 02:48:19,439
do you feel that you got chosen for

4046
02:48:22,710 --> 02:48:20,880
anything special after all the years

4047
02:48:25,429 --> 02:48:22,720
that you feel like uh

4048
02:48:26,710 --> 02:48:25,439
like you got chosen for anything and

4049
02:48:29,750 --> 02:48:26,720
that you feel

4050
02:48:30,340 --> 02:48:29,760
that you're special that you'd uh

4051
02:48:33,030 --> 02:48:30,350
no

4052
02:48:34,630 --> 02:48:33,040
[Music]

4053
02:48:37,190 --> 02:48:34,640
you're saying no mirror something not

4054
02:48:39,429 --> 02:48:37,200
not in particular

4055
02:48:41,670 --> 02:48:39,439
i don't feel special or anything about

4056
02:48:43,830 --> 02:48:41,680
it i mean

4057
02:48:46,070 --> 02:48:43,840
there's something that happens to not

4058
02:48:49,190 --> 02:48:46,080
only me other people so

4059
02:48:51,269 --> 02:48:49,200
no i'm not special yeah and what about

4060
02:48:55,110 --> 02:48:51,279
you tom

4061
02:48:55,120 --> 02:49:01,510
you said messenger why me

4062
02:49:07,510 --> 02:49:04,550
it's really it's to

4063
02:49:08,469 --> 02:49:07,520
to help other people and and i'm not

4064
02:49:10,710 --> 02:49:08,479
afraid of that

4065
02:49:11,990 --> 02:49:10,720
and after unsolved mysteries i've gotten

4066
02:49:14,710 --> 02:49:12,000
calls all over the world

4067
02:49:15,910 --> 02:49:14,720
and it's helped out tremendously to be

4068
02:49:18,710 --> 02:49:15,920
vocal and

4069
02:49:19,190 --> 02:49:18,720
to speak the truth on all these subjects

4070
02:49:22,389 --> 02:49:19,200
you know

4071
02:49:24,070 --> 02:49:22,399
you get a platform to speak and on that

4072
02:49:27,590 --> 02:49:24,080
platform to speak

4073
02:49:29,910 --> 02:49:27,600
you have to say what you want

4074
02:49:31,110 --> 02:49:29,920
as your platform and the platform is is

4075
02:49:34,309 --> 02:49:31,120
taking care of the earth

4076
02:49:35,750 --> 02:49:34,319
and and i'm okay with that

4077
02:49:37,830 --> 02:49:35,760
you know i know i talked about this

4078
02:49:40,790 --> 02:49:37,840
before but

4079
02:49:41,750 --> 02:49:40,800
i think that if i were sitting in any

4080
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:41,760
one of your

4081
02:49:45,830 --> 02:49:44,800
shoes tonight and had such a dramatic

4082
02:49:49,590 --> 02:49:45,840
experience

4083
02:49:50,630 --> 02:49:49,600
i would be so angry at the debunkers and

4084
02:49:54,070 --> 02:49:50,640
skeptics

4085
02:49:56,230 --> 02:49:54,080
just because you can't convince anyone

4086
02:49:58,630 --> 02:49:56,240
to know what you know you know forrest

4087
02:50:00,870 --> 02:49:58,640
gump said stupid is as stupid does but

4088
02:50:04,309 --> 02:50:00,880
stupid questions

4089
02:50:07,590 --> 02:50:04,319
are about the same i mean you can't look

4090
02:50:08,070 --> 02:50:07,600
at and i looked at this how many stars

4091
02:50:10,870 --> 02:50:08,080
how many

4092
02:50:11,670 --> 02:50:10,880
planets what are the odds and the odds

4093
02:50:15,030 --> 02:50:11,680
say

4094
02:50:16,950 --> 02:50:15,040
uh there is life out there i mean i call

4095
02:50:18,469 --> 02:50:16,960
those other people flat earthers

4096
02:50:20,550 --> 02:50:18,479
you know because once upon a time

4097
02:50:26,309 --> 02:50:20,560
everybody thought the earth was flat

4098
02:50:30,630 --> 02:50:28,309
it's ridiculous to think like that i

4099
02:50:33,830 --> 02:50:30,640
mean just look out at the stars

4100
02:50:36,309 --> 02:50:33,840
and there and what's behind those stars

4101
02:50:37,269 --> 02:50:36,319
oh yeah that was the name of the book

4102
02:50:41,910 --> 02:50:37,279
yeah

4103
02:50:44,550 --> 02:50:41,920
better answer

4104
02:50:45,750 --> 02:50:44,560
yeah hugo thank you very much for the

4105
02:50:48,630 --> 02:50:45,760
call

4106
02:50:49,030 --> 02:50:48,640
thank you guys thank you thank you so we

4107
02:50:51,349 --> 02:50:49,040
only

4108
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:51,359
have um i can't believe this we have

4109
02:50:56,230 --> 02:50:52,960
three minutes left three minutes left

4110
02:50:59,670 --> 02:50:56,240
bill must have a question no no no uh

4111
02:51:00,469 --> 02:50:59,680
we're all good uh mike um i really want

4112
02:51:03,510 --> 02:51:00,479
to thank

4113
02:51:04,950 --> 02:51:03,520
well both of you for for joining um you

4114
02:51:08,150 --> 02:51:04,960
know from far away it's been

4115
02:51:11,429 --> 02:51:08,160
it's been really very amazing and uh

4116
02:51:14,630 --> 02:51:11,439
uh and i also want to thank um

4117
02:51:15,590 --> 02:51:14,640
you might in particular because of your

4118
02:51:18,630 --> 02:51:15,600
background

4119
02:51:21,429 --> 02:51:18,640
you're not being afraid

4120
02:51:23,269 --> 02:51:21,439
to talk about this that that's really uh

4121
02:51:25,590 --> 02:51:23,279
it's helpful to a lot of people

4122
02:51:26,309 --> 02:51:25,600
when someone like you comes forward and

4123
02:51:29,349 --> 02:51:26,319
and uh

4124
02:51:32,389 --> 02:51:29,359
thank you for your uh you know your test

4125
02:51:36,389 --> 02:51:32,399
testimony basically

4126
02:51:39,590 --> 02:51:36,399
go ahead yeah you're welcome and and um

4127
02:51:40,230 --> 02:51:39,600
i i i should never be uh afraid of the

4128
02:51:44,710 --> 02:51:40,240
truth

4129
02:51:47,510 --> 02:51:44,720
uh and yeah in the state police we had a

4130
02:51:48,790 --> 02:51:47,520
a saying you know um if you do something

4131
02:51:50,230 --> 02:51:48,800
or say something

4132
02:51:52,070 --> 02:51:50,240
you know what's the worst they can do to

4133
02:51:53,030 --> 02:51:52,080
you right send you to an outpost or not

4134
02:51:56,230 --> 02:51:53,040
promote you

4135
02:51:57,190 --> 02:51:56,240
so um i'm kind of beyond that at this

4136
02:52:01,269 --> 02:51:57,200
point in time

4137
02:52:04,389 --> 02:52:01,279
and um i know what we saw those nights

4138
02:52:07,510 --> 02:52:04,399
and um i have

4139
02:52:11,269 --> 02:52:07,520
i have no doubt that that there

4140
02:52:13,429 --> 02:52:11,279
are others out there and that we

4141
02:52:14,469 --> 02:52:13,439
uh we are being visited on a regular

4142
02:52:16,550 --> 02:52:14,479
basis

4143
02:52:17,990 --> 02:52:16,560
and sometimes we don't even know that we

4144
02:52:20,950 --> 02:52:18,000
are so

4145
02:52:21,750 --> 02:52:20,960
yeah i believe i i think what you're

4146
02:52:24,230 --> 02:52:21,760
saying

4147
02:52:25,750 --> 02:52:24,240
there's an absolute truth too so thank

4148
02:52:26,950 --> 02:52:25,760
you so much i'm going to be dropping

4149
02:52:28,309 --> 02:52:26,960
everyone off a little at

4150
02:52:29,990 --> 02:52:28,319
time here because we only got a couple

4151
02:52:32,630 --> 02:52:30,000
minutes so thanks again

4152
02:52:33,830 --> 02:52:32,640
thanks mike thank you yeah now you are

4153
02:52:36,309 --> 02:52:33,840
all welcome

4154
02:52:37,349 --> 02:52:36,319
all right take care hey marisol thank

4155
02:52:38,950 --> 02:52:37,359
you so much

4156
02:52:40,550 --> 02:52:38,960
and i hope you make it through the storm

4157
02:52:42,950 --> 02:52:40,560
okay and uh

4158
02:52:44,389 --> 02:52:42,960
i'm gonna have uh i do believe i do have

4159
02:52:46,550 --> 02:52:44,399
your email address

4160
02:52:47,830 --> 02:52:46,560
so uh we'll stay in touch and i'll try

4161
02:52:50,150 --> 02:52:47,840
to help you with some of the things we

4162
02:52:52,630 --> 02:52:50,160
talked about

4163
02:52:54,710 --> 02:52:52,640
oops you're a mute i can almost read

4164
02:52:58,550 --> 02:52:54,720
your lips

4165
02:53:02,150 --> 02:52:58,560
that'd thank you so much all right

4166
02:53:05,269 --> 02:53:02,160
okay so you take care you as well bye

4167
02:53:07,910 --> 02:53:05,279
bye everybody bye

4168
02:53:09,750 --> 02:53:07,920
all right bye-bye all right so here we

4169
02:53:10,950 --> 02:53:09,760
are uh tom i want to thank you we only

4170
02:53:12,230 --> 02:53:10,960
have a minute left

4171
02:53:13,910 --> 02:53:12,240
i want to thank you for being so

4172
02:53:14,870 --> 02:53:13,920
gracious and making me a sandwich and

4173
02:53:17,030 --> 02:53:14,880
everything all right

4174
02:53:18,070 --> 02:53:17,040
so i'm so happy that you drove down all

4175
02:53:20,550 --> 02:53:18,080
the way from maine

4176
02:53:22,550 --> 02:53:20,560
that was my pleasure hey and no thank

4177
02:53:24,150 --> 02:53:22,560
you and you're very welcome

4178
02:53:26,150 --> 02:53:24,160
and uh we were going to have this

4179
02:53:27,269 --> 02:53:26,160
outside but um

4180
02:53:28,790 --> 02:53:27,279
i don't know if you heard the thunder

4181
02:53:30,230 --> 02:53:28,800
earlier but it just didn't work out that

4182
02:53:32,309 --> 02:53:30,240
way but it all worked out

4183
02:53:33,429 --> 02:53:32,319
uh well enough and so i want to thank

4184
02:53:36,230 --> 02:53:33,439
everyone so much

4185
02:53:36,790 --> 02:53:36,240
we'll be back next week with paul kirsch

4186
02:53:39,670 --> 02:53:36,800
and

4187
02:53:41,670 --> 02:53:39,680
at the same time only a normal uh you

4188
02:53:43,110 --> 02:53:41,680
know two-hour show so thanks so much and

4189
02:53:44,630 --> 02:53:43,120
thank you bill for everything

4190
02:53:57,190 --> 02:53:44,640
and remember everyone to keep your eyes